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May 03, 2017 08:06 |  #31

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It's almost part of the Apple culture.

I'm part of the Apple culture - but that's because I worked as a graphics designer on Macs in the late 90s. I've since used PCs for work (different career industry altogether), but I've almost always fallen back on Macs for photos and editing.


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May 04, 2017 14:20 as a reply to  @ post 18338287 |  #32

Not true, my HP Z workstations are built with very high quality parts, I get them off lease for a tenth or less than they sold for new.




  
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May 04, 2017 14:37 |  #33

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I completely disagree

I deal with HP, dells, lenovos almost on daily basis, and never seen one that was decently build with good components.

Memory is slowest possible speed, some low quality brand or some generic stuff.
PSU is some low-end bargain bin trash that is barely strong enough to run the system, add a video card or few hard drives and the PSU will barely supply enough power to run the system
what do you get with normal pre-build system? one year warranty, want more may more, want to actually speak to someone that you can understand, sure pay for "premium" US support.

with custom build system, if you pick good parts, you get (for no extra cost)
3 years on CPU
3 years on board
lifetime on memory
5-10 on power supply
3-10 on video card
2-5 on hard drive or SSD

other thing that really ticks me off about all pre-build systems, very often they used non-standard parts, different connectors, PSU that are different shape, its called ATX standard for a reason.

Lenovo also likes to clue the heatsink for CPU on.
Dell and HP also like to glue the motherboards to the case.


Maybe the low end stuff, at the high end that is not even close to true. As for non standard connectors on PSU, that is about the easiest problem to get around and there are wiring adapters to go from 24 pin to whatever you need for your motherboard. I have a Lenovo TS 140 that I bought new for $300, I put it in a big server chassis and am running a big wattage PSU, I am using a cheap cable from Amazon to go from 24 pins to I believe it was 14 pins. Now it is no problem to have 13 hard drives in my Lenovo media server and the board had the proper PCIe slots for my raid cards.

My HP Z workstations are built like tanks and are easy to work on. My self built I7 6700K at stock 4.0Ghz speed PC is about 75% as fast CPU wise as my 7 year old HP Z600 and cost me 2 time as much as I paid for my Z600 off lease a few years back.




  
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May 06, 2017 20:29 |  #34

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I'm part of the Apple culture - but that's because I worked as a graphics designer on Macs in the late 90s. I've since used PCs for work (different career industry altogether), but I've almost always fallen back on Macs for photos and editing.

There's no chance I'd buy an Apple laptop today. The new MacBooks and MacBook Pros are complete disasters with the USB-C-only connections (and all the stupid dongles you have to buy) and loss of the magnetic power cable connector, and the MacBook Air is a couple of years old now. They are the worst revisions of just about any Mac product I can think of.


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May 06, 2017 21:27 |  #35

One lesser known small company that makes really good workstations is Xi Computers. I bought one of their workstations years ago, and had no problems with it. Eventually I then priced out ultra high end 3D workstations, and found there was great savings in building your own (and getting components from New Egg). It depends though....Xi seems to have really good deals with graphics cards. For pre-configured graphics workstations, Xi Computers definitely has the best prices. For your situation, they'll probably also have better deals than trying to price out individual components as well.


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May 07, 2017 08:59 |  #36

I'm very satisfied with these folks....

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Expensive, but worth it....




  
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May 07, 2017 22:15 |  #37

Tony-S wrote in post #18348050 (external link)
There's no chance I'd buy an Apple laptop today. The new MacBooks and MacBook Pros are complete disasters with the USB-C-only connections (and all the stupid dongles you have to buy) and loss of the magnetic power cable connector, and the MacBook Air is a couple of years old now. They are the worst revisions of just about any Mac product I can think of.

I have no idea, really. Last August, I bought the Apple laptop I've been wanting for a really long time. It's a 17 inch 2011 Mac Pro.


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May 08, 2017 03:09 |  #38

When you buy a Mac you are basically paying the extra for the brand and their design but with far inferior hardware.
A computer is a tool not something that you carry with you to Starbucks to show off.
I bet my pc with 3yr old CPU and motherboard is able to beat most Mac Pros out there that cost 3-5 times more.


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May 08, 2017 06:32 |  #39
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FuturamaJSP wrote in post #18348931 (external link)
When you buy a Mac you are basically paying the extra for the brand and their design but with far inferior hardware.
A computer is a tool not something that you carry with you to Starbucks to show off.
I bet my pc with 3yr old CPU and motherboard is able to beat most Mac Pros out there that cost 3-5 times more.

You are forgetting one thing...the OS. I believe most people use Macs for the OS and not too show off to you PC gamers with their shiny toys. Windows sucks in my books and this is coming from someone that uses PC's. Not n the future.




  
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May 09, 2017 03:05 |  #40

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You are forgetting one thing...the OS. I believe most people use Macs for the OS and not too show off to you PC gamers with their shiny toys. Windows sucks in my books and this is coming from someone that uses PC's. Not n the future.

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https://en.wikipedia.o​rg/wiki/Linux (external link)

its always the same the Mac fanboys keep saying how crappy, uninstable or unsafe Windows is without mentioning that nowadays Macs and Windows computers share pretty much the same hardware which means you can pretty much turn any cheap PC into a Mac running Mac OS. Where is your Mac cpus that IBM used to make? Why did Apple switch to Intel?
I think it shows how much superior PC hardware really is considering Apple itself dropped their own PowerPC cpus and switched to Windows PC cpus made by Intel :D


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FuturamaJSP wrote in post #18349763 (external link)
http://www.hackintosh.​com/ (external link)
https://en.wikipedia.o​rg/wiki/Linux (external link)

its always the same the Mac fanboys keep saying how crappy, uninstable or unsafe Windows is without mentioning that nowadays Macs and Windows computers share pretty much the same hardware which means you can pretty much turn any cheap PC into a Mac running Mac OS. Where is your Mac cpus that IBM used to make? Why did Apple switch to Intel?
I think it shows how much superior PC hardware really is considering Apple itself dropped their own PowerPC cpus and switched to Windows PC cpus made by Intel :D

I guess you missed the part where I currently use a windows system,so just keep your childish fanboy comments to yourself.

I don't want a home brew system based on some garage based OS. I view my computer as a tool, like a hammer, that sits there not needing any attention and just does it's job when I need it. I don't get the joy out of their computers that many seem to. A windows system requires constant maintenance, at least the systems I used at work as well as my home system. It gets into my way of just wanting to process images.

Friends of mine run Mac systems for their photography. They don't have any issues with them. What a concept, a tool that just works when you need it.




  
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May 09, 2017 06:59 |  #42

I reckon I won't be buying another desktop, or laptop. Picked up an Intel Skull Canyon NUC. Brilliant bits of gear. Quad core i7 6770, I popped 16 GB of RAM in mine and a 500GB SSD, has Thunderbolt 3, USB C or mini display port, HDMI, built in Bluetooth & WiFi, Iris Pro graphics, Toslink audio, it's tiny, fast & near silent. Take it anywhere, any HDMI TV will work as a monitor when travelling, or grab a 15.6" IPS portable monitor http://www.techradar.c​om/reviews/mb169c (external link) Plenty fast enough for any editing I want to do. Does Pano merges snappy as. Great bit of gear. 3 year warranty. Everything just works.




  
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May 09, 2017 09:13 |  #43

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I guess you missed the part where I currently use a windows system,so just keep your childish fanboy comments to yourself.

I don't want a home brew system based on some garage based OS. I view my computer as a tool, like a hammer, that sits there not needing any attention and just does it's job when I need it. I don't get the joy out of their computers that many seem to. A windows system requires constant maintenance, at least the systems I used at work as well as my home system. It gets into my way of just wanting to process images.

Friends of mine run Mac systems for their photography. They don't have any issues with them. What a concept, a tool that just works when you need it.

I never said anything bad about your precious Mac OS. Not in this thread or any other in this forum. Please read my comment before jumping into conclusion.
I do admit that the older Windows could be instable but calling them garage based OS is only something that a blind fanboy would do.
Also, my 3 year old "home brew" system has never required maintenance, only upgrade that I made to turn it from a cheap budget tool for editing into a high end dual purpose machine for both editing and entertainment was by adding a high end Nvidia GPU.
I always avoid cheap parts from unknown manufacturers when building my own pc.
I've also purchased pre-built systems in the past from HP, IBM and Dell and never had any problem with them either.
I am pretty sure most of the parts in Mac computers are manufactured by companies that also make parts for pc, like the CPU, GPU, RAM and storage...


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May 09, 2017 09:56 |  #44

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I do admit that the older Windows could be instable but calling them garage based OS is only something that a blind fanboy would do.....

I don't think that it's fanboy-ism, but OS expertise. The Mac OS has a very tightly controlled UI making it very difficult for novice or average users to get themselves into trouble. It's set up for you, you leave it be and it works. Windows has taken the opposite approach allowing users to change anything they want and many of those changes can seriously degrade performance or make the system unstable. In photographic terms, Mac OS is like a P.S camera where settings have been chosen to give the most people a satisfactory experience. Windows is like a DSLR where quite a bit of knowledge is needed to get the most out of the tool unless you just keep it in the green box and don't change anything until you really understand what it is your changing.


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May 10, 2017 02:07 |  #45

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I don't think that it's fanboy-ism, but OS expertise. The Mac OS has a very tightly controlled UI making it very difficult for novice or average users to get themselves into trouble. It's set up for you, you leave it be and it works. Windows has taken the opposite approach allowing users to change anything they want and many of those changes can seriously degrade performance or make the system unstable. In photographic terms, Mac OS is like a P.S camera where settings have been chosen to give the most people a satisfactory experience. Windows is like a DSLR where quite a bit of knowledge is needed to get the most out of the tool unless you just keep it in the green box and don't change anything until you really understand what it is your changing.

haha what is this? a Mac forum for their devoted followers?
I know 80 yr olds who have learned to use Windows and I learned how to use a computer on a Windows PC in the 90s at the age of 13. Actually I have friends who learned to use crappy old Windows 3.1 when they were still in kindergarten.
So if old folks and kids could easily learn to use Windows then it can't be as complicated as you claim it to be.

Also as i said before i never said anything negative about the mac OS so stop bringing up how much better mac OS is over all the other OS. I've never used it and probably never will because game developers only release kids games for iOS...


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