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Jun 10, 2017 23:38 |  #106

Puckman wrote in post #18375675 (external link)
Proposed native lineup
- Batis 18 (debating whether to eventually replace this as well)
- Batis 25
- Some native 35 (possibly the 1.4, but I can wait to see if Sony finally comes out with a 35/1.8 or 35/2) Alternatively the FE 28???
- FE 55/1.8
- FE 85/1.8
- FE 70-200/4 or FE 70-300G...Need some feedback here.
- FE 100-400 (possibly, after it comes out, we'll see...)

The biggest questions I have are:
- What native lens at 35?
- Do I go 70-200/4 or 70-300? For those of you who have owned or tried both (Charlie!) how do the 2 compare?

I also have a completely unrelated question:
Do any of you guys use UV or similar protective filters on your lenses? I shoot at the beach, and apparently, when I'm not at the beach, I end up in dusty places (Zion, the desert, etc). I am always conflicted between the whole "don't put extra inferior glass in front of expensive optics" and having to constantly clean and wipe the front element of my lenses in funky conditions.
Thoughts?

Discuss... :)

I have 3 native lenses, the FE 28/2, the Loxia 35/2, and FE 55/1.8. I use the Loxia 35/2 the most of the three and I don't see myself going to another native 35mm lens just to get a faster lens with AF. I really like the compact size of the Loxia.

For now with the longer larger lenses I'm staying with the Canon EF 100-400L II and the EF 70-200 f/2.8L II on a Canon body. I'll revisit that when I see what comes after the A7RII.

My quandry is whether to get a Batis 18 or the Loxia 21 and whether to replace the 28/2 with a Batis 25.

I use filters when wet or dusty conditions warrant. Otherwise I don't use them.

Roger Cicala at LensRentals.com has two recent blogs on using filters (external link) and ranking filters (external link). He also talks about the economics of using filters versus the cost of replacing the front element of a lens here (external link).



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Jun 11, 2017 00:51 |  #107

Thanks. That's some good reading material :)

I am not interested in the Loxia due to its ergonomics.
But for the record, I love both the 18 and 25 Batis. Both are definitely highly recommended.

Here's another shot from Vegas with the Batis 18.


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Jun 11, 2017 00:57 |  #108

Timphoto wrote in post #18375686 (external link)
I have 3 native lenses, the FE 28/2, the Loxia 35/2, and FE 55/1.8. I use the Loxia 35/2 the most of the three and I don't see myself going to another native 35mm lens just to get a faster lens with AF. I really like the compact size of the Loxia.

For now with the longer larger lenses I'm staying with the Canon EF 100-400L II and the EF 70-200 f/2.8L II on a Canon body. I'll revisit that when I see what comes after the A7RII.

My quandry is whether to get a Batis 18 or the Loxia 21 and whether to replace the 28/2 with a Batis 25.

I use filters when wet or dusty conditions warrant. Otherwise I don't use them.

Roger Cicala at LensRentals.com has two recent blogs on using filters (external link) and ranking filters (external link). He also talks about the economics of using filters versus the cost of replacing the front element of a lens here (external link).

If you like your Loxia 35mm you should definitely get the 21mm...best native wide angle lens for FE mount period. The Batis' are very good too, but I think you'd have better lens pairing with adding the Loxia 21 to your 35.


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Jun 11, 2017 01:26 |  #109

Puckman wrote in post #18375675 (external link)
Well, now that I'm somewhat back in action, I am strongly considering some new gear options.
For starters, I am going all native. This last trip to ZionNP really made me realize I hate dealing with adapters. I still have 3 EF lenses: the Canon 70-200/4IS, the Canon 100-400IS and the Sigma Art 35.

Here's what I have today and what I'm considering changing...Followed by some questions for those of you who have owned some of these lenses.

Current Lineup:
- CV 15
- Batis 18
- Batis 25
- Sigma 35 Art
- Sony 24-70/4
- Sony 55/1.8
- Sony FE 90 Macro
- Canon 70-200/4IS
- Canon 100-400IS

I want to get rid of the 24-70 for sure. And both Canon lenses.
I am thinking I'll replace the FE 90 Macro with the new Sony 85/1.8, since I don't do macro. And possibly get rid of the CV 15.

Proposed native lineup
- Batis 18 (debating whether to eventually replace this as well)
- Batis 25
- Some native 35 (possibly the 1.4, but I can wait to see if Sony finally comes out with a 35/1.8 or 35/2) Alternatively the FE 28???
- FE 55/1.8
- FE 85/1.8
- FE 70-200/4 or FE 70-300G...Need some feedback here.
- FE 100-400 (possibly, after it comes out, we'll see...)

The biggest questions I have are:
- What native lens at 35?
- Do I go 70-200/4 or 70-300? For those of you who have owned or tried both (Charlie!) how do the 2 compare?

I also have a completely unrelated question:
Do any of you guys use UV or similar protective filters on your lenses? I shoot at the beach, and apparently, when I'm not at the beach, I end up in dusty places (Zion, the desert, etc). I am always conflicted between the whole "don't put extra inferior glass in front of expensive optics" and having to constantly clean and wipe the front element of my lenses in funky conditions.
Thoughts?

Discuss... :)

Lots of good stuff to discuss there.

Adapters are a total pain when you have a split kit like that. Last year it didn't bother me so much because ALL my lenses were Canon-mount. In that case the adapter is permanently part of the camera and isn't a nuisance. But as soon as you have a mix of Canon and e-mount lenses it all goes to pot and becomes very irritating. But you do have one play left: Sell all your Canon-mount lenses except your 35mm and just permanently leave the adapter on the lens...now you've effectively solved your 35mm problem with no money spent.

That said, I want the Sony Zeiss Distagon 35mm F1.4 ZA and hope to acquire one this year.

And since you've been out of the loop lately, perhaps you missed the nice rumor that Sigma plans to release an e-mount 35mm 1.4 that may be much smaller than the Sony one. Might be worth waiting to see if anything is announced in the next three months or so.

Regarding protective filters, if I shot in sandy and/or salty conditions I'd definitely use a filter. The reality is that if I'm shooting outdoors I nearly always use a CPL anyway (to reduce reflections/glare).


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Jun 11, 2017 01:38 |  #110

Up late over there on the east coast, David? :)

Good info. I was indeed aware of the rumored Sigma 35/1.4 FE. I honestly don't think they can make something small and still hit 1.4. All the 1.4s are rather on the large size. Specially Sigmas.
Although I'd be happy with a 1.8 or even 2.0.

For now, I am indeed planning on keeping the Sigma and having the adapter permanently attached to it.

The 100-400 is indeed pricey (as are all these new GM lenses from Sony). But i think I would make an exception and pay that price if it's indeed as good as they say. Specially since I am going on the more budget side of things with the remaining lineup. (Well, budget is relative, but you get my point).

I would sell the 70-200 (Canon or if I were to go with the FE for a while, until the 100-400 is released) + my Canon 100-400, so funding it would be ok.

CPLs give me fits. I keep trying to use one, but I have yet to find one that handles skies decently on very wide angles (anything wider than 24mm).

My other issue with filters is that I have too many lenses with too many differing thread sizes AND I like to use NDs for seascapes. So when i think filters, I'm already thinking of stacking, and I do worry about image degradation there.

Ah well. Nice problems to have, I suppose.


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Jun 11, 2017 01:57 |  #111

I need to shut up and be happy when it comes to thinking about buying new lenses. :p

I do plan to get the FE 35mm 1.4 soon, but I'd love to suppress any FE 12-24mm or FE 16-35mm GM or 100-400mm GM GAS. Easier said than done! But, I really do have a great lens kit right now with only one hole (35mm).


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Jun 11, 2017 05:38 |  #112

I keep my adapter mounted on my Canon EF 100-400L most of the time. Otherwise, the adapter is on my Sigma 35 f1.4 Art lens.


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Jun 11, 2017 05:54 |  #113

Puckman wrote in post #18375675 (external link)
Well, now that I'm somewhat back in action, I am strongly considering some new gear options.
For starters, I am going all native. This last trip to ZionNP really made me realize I hate dealing with adapters. I still have 3 EF lenses: the Canon 70-200/4IS, the Canon 100-400IS and the Sigma Art 35.

Here's what I have today and what I'm considering changing...Followed by some questions for those of you who have owned some of these lenses.

Current Lineup:
- CV 15
- Batis 18
- Batis 25
- Sigma 35 Art
- Sony 24-70/4
- Sony 55/1.8
- Sony FE 90 Macro
- Canon 70-200/4IS
- Canon 100-400IS

I want to get rid of the 24-70 for sure. And both Canon lenses.
I am thinking I'll replace the FE 90 Macro with the new Sony 85/1.8, since I don't do macro. And possibly get rid of the CV 15.

Proposed native lineup
- Batis 18 (debating whether to eventually replace this as well)
- Batis 25
- Some native 35 (possibly the 1.4, but I can wait to see if Sony finally comes out with a 35/1.8 or 35/2) Alternatively the FE 28???
- FE 55/1.8
- FE 85/1.8
- FE 70-200/4 or FE 70-300G...Need some feedback here.
- FE 100-400 (possibly, after it comes out, we'll see...)

The biggest questions I have are:
- What native lens at 35?
- Do I go 70-200/4 or 70-300? For those of you who have owned or tried both (Charlie!) how do the 2 compare?

I also have a completely unrelated question:
Do any of you guys use UV or similar protective filters on your lenses? I shoot at the beach, and apparently, when I'm not at the beach, I end up in dusty places (Zion, the desert, etc). I am always conflicted between the whole "don't put extra inferior glass in front of expensive optics" and having to constantly clean and wipe the front element of my lenses in funky conditions.
Thoughts?

Discuss... :)

Couple thoughts, no standard 24-70 zoom? I've never shot with a 25mm Batis or a 25mm lens, but I might skip out the 35mm as the differnence between 25-35 are rather close and you have a great option already in the Batis. At least that would have me hesitate and not have it high on my priority list at least until a mid option such as a 1.8/2 or even a native mount Sigma 35 comes out.

In terms of the UV filter, I use them. I try to use a protective clear filter (B+W sells them as a 007M) or other quality brand like Breakthrough Photography and avoid other brands like Tiffen, Hoya, etc. that's not to say that those other brands are complete crap, but QC isn't there and there's way too many different options. B+W has a 010, 007, and Breakthrough Photography has a X1,2,3 for various price points and coatings. Search for Hoya filters and you have like 8 different product lines for a simple UV filter. I've had filters get dusty or marked up, so I'd rather clean that then the front element.


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Jun 11, 2017 06:01 |  #114

Question for those in Sony Pro Support. How strict are the requirements? I know one of them in based on the number of bodies and lenses as well as being a professional photographer. Do you show them a portfolio?

Also for registration of gear, particularly lenses. Do they ask for receipts and serials? So does that mean no grey/used glass?


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Jun 11, 2017 06:44 |  #115

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Question for those in Sony Pro Support. How strict are the requirements? I know one of them in based on the number of bodies and lenses as well as being a professional photographer. Do you show them a portfolio?

Also for registration of gear, particularly lenses. Do they ask for receipts and serials? So does that mean no grey/used glass?

There's some leeway with the gear, but if you send something in for service they do ask for the receipt. You also provide serial numbers to register gear.

They don't ask for a portfolio but do ask for a company website


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Jun 11, 2017 08:00 |  #116

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There's some leeway with the gear, but if you send something in for service they do ask for the receipt. You also provide serial numbers to register gear.

They don't ask for a portfolio but do ask for a company website

Thanks! Looks like I'll be buying retail or at the worst, US stock. Hope that B&H used would be ok. And looks like I'll be setting up a Square Space account soon, lol.


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Jun 11, 2017 09:07 |  #117

The last shot with the Sony A6500:cry:

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Jun 11, 2017 09:22 |  #118

so I don't think there will be much interest in this , but i'm putting it here anyway:lol:

canon efs 10-18 on a7sii..
why you ask? because I think i'm selling my 16-35.. but uwa lens will be missed occasionally for video ..for stills i'm rarely at the widest end ... so I happen to have an efs 10-18
And, no i'm not expecting it to match IQ of the FE 16-35

anyways , here it is with the camera in Crop mode at 10mm,in video a7sii will not do 4k in crop mode and in photos thers even less room for cropping ..

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--And in Full frame mode at 10mm , not really usable ,unless for creative or "artistic" porpuses this is how you want it

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--So in FF , 14mm on this lens is the widest you can go with out showing black borders.. although the corners are super soft

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it'll do for me for videowhen I want really wide angle , i'm rarely at 16mm in video any way
And this concludes my tests.. :p

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Jun 11, 2017 09:41 |  #119

Subscribed... Been out shooting at another favorite place... Roan Mountain. Might be looking for a CV15 when I get back...


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Jun 11, 2017 10:37 |  #120

Had fun shooting with my niece. Sony ILCE-7RM2 + FE 50mm F1.4 ZA

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