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Jun 05, 2017 16:37 |  #1

Since my YN568EX II overheated to death, I'm on a market for a new flash. It's going to be used mainly on camera, and I'm looking for E-TTL and HSS. I was quite happy with my YN568EX II's performance, but it died after 2 years. I'm mainly looking for something somewhat reliable that I can trust for an event.

So I was looking at Yongnuo's line and found the new YN685. There's always the YN600EX but I've seen a lot of people complaining about overheating issues, so I kinda put it behind a bit.

Should I just buy another YN568 EX II (since I still have a defuser for it as well) or should I go for the YN685? Difference is about 10€ between them.

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Jun 05, 2017 17:47 |  #2

If you weren't in Portugal, I would recommend looking into Godox flashes. Many people are going to them because they fully integrate into a full lighting system if you decide to go with that brand.

If Godox brand has a good distributor in Portugal, check them out. Here in the States, they are available as Godox, Cheetah Brand, and as a house brand Flashpoint (of Adorama.)


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Jun 05, 2017 19:16 |  #3

I just picked up two Canon 550EX units on E-Bay for $110. That is basically 1/2 the price of buying YN new. I'd go with used Canon anything before buying YN. Had one, it died the second day I owned it. The reviews on Amazon dont' instill any confidence either.




  
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Jun 06, 2017 20:26 |  #4

Nogo wrote in post #18371815 (external link)
If you weren't in Portugal, I would recommend looking into Godox flashes. Many people are going to them because they fully integrate into a full lighting system if you decide to go with that brand...

OP could use one of the many european Amazon sites to buy Godox models. But. The OP also stated on-camera TTL use, and while the Godox TT685 and V860II can do that, a used OEM speedlight might be a better buy for this purpose. Godox's AF-assist isn't as good, and having reverse-engineered the TTL communication protocol, it's likely that it won't be as consistent in TTL performance (not that TTL performance is ever really consistent, but y'know...) Godox speedlights are probably better for off-camera usage than on-camera bouncing.

I vote for finding a used 580EXII, and then throwing on a Godox X1R-C if you want to use it with additional Godox off-camera flashes. I do agree that going with a TT685 or V860II and X1T-C makes more sense than a YN-685 and YN-622-TX if there's any plans to expand past speedlights.

I'm not sure I'd recommend going older than the 580EXII (e.g., 580EX or 550EX), since they don't communicate with the flash control menu of any Digic IV or later camera body, and that camera-to-flash communication is used by a lot of 3rd-party TTL/HSS radio triggers, like the Yongnuo YN-622s.


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Jun 06, 2017 20:48 |  #5

I'm using the YN685, it's been great.

However, the TT685 from Godox would be an excellent bet at this point, if you ever think you'll expand into more lights and transceivers.

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Jun 07, 2017 17:30 |  #6

Thank you for all your replies. I tried to find some used Canon flashes but there weren't any locally. I looked at Godox but I ended up buying a YN685 + YN622C-TX because I got a good deal. I appreciate your input, let's hope I get a good copy!

Also a good friend of mine has this same setup with 2 YN685's + YN622C-TX and talked me into it, so I may end up getting another one in the future mainly because of the setup's simplicity.


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Jun 07, 2017 17:51 |  #7

sapelgas431 wrote in post #18373404 (external link)
Thank you for all your replies. I tried to find some used Canon flashes but there weren't any locally. I looked at Godox but I ended up buying a YN685 + YN622C-TX because I got a good deal. I appreciate your input, let's hope I get a good copy!

Also a good friend of mine has this same setup with 2 YN685's + YN622C-TX and talked me into it, so I may end up getting another one in the future mainly because of the setup's simplicity.

It's a good system for the cost.

To set your YN685's to 622 remote mode (enabling the internal receiver), hold "mode" for a second or two and it will pop up as 622 remote. Do it again for 603 remote. You get the idea. The 622TX will control them all. You can keep adding 685's and do remote ETTL/HSS if needed and adjust the FEC and stuff remotely and split them into groups like A, B and C (so each flash is a different group and you can then control them separately). If you end up adding a strobe or flash to this mix that isn't a 685, just plug a YN622 via pcsync or hotshoe depending on what it is and it will join the fleet. If you ever mix in some manual lights, you can have everything on the 603 remote mode (such as adding the 560III or 560IV or whatever the latest ones are, as they're inexpensive).

Great flash system.

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Jun 07, 2017 18:04 as a reply to  @ MalVeauX's post |  #8

Thank you for the detailed answer! Since you have the same system, have you ever had any problem with ETTL underexposing when you bounce the flash off the ceiling? Does the auto zoom work fine? Because I didn't have any of those problems with the 568EX II but I have seen some reports of some people stating that the YN685 underexposes sometimes.

And did you use then YN685 outside in the sun for a while without it overheating?


Sorry if it's too many questions, thank you!


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Jun 07, 2017 18:15 |  #9

Heya,

No issues with exposure with bounce. That's more an issue with specific cameras. Mine works great with my 5D, 7D, T4i, EOS-M, etc. Works on ancient stuff and more modern stuff just the same. The know the 70D has issues with exposure with ETTL bounce (regardless of make of flash).

Zoom works fine.

ETTL + HSS together works great, it's why I primarily got it and it integrates into my 560III fleet and the 622's integrate with my 600Ws HSS capable strobe, so they work together which is nice.

I use my 685 indoor and outdoor, outdoor in Florida, works fine. I don't rattle at maximum output and speed constantly, I'm not spray-and-pray, but I've yet to have it over heat or anything.

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Jun 07, 2017 18:19 |  #10

Good to know!

Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions :-)


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Jun 07, 2017 22:04 |  #11

I have 4 560IIIs and the 603 triggers. May have to look at adding HSS capability with some 685s. Theoretically, I could mix or match, or fire them all with the 603s?

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Jun 08, 2017 06:47 |  #12

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I have 4 560IIIs and the 603 triggers. May have to look at adding HSS capability with some 685s. Theoretically, I could mix or match, or fire them all with the 603s?

Excuse the hijack.

Yes,

The 685 has a 622 & 603 receiver built in. You can cycle between 622 or 603 to have it join the fleet in either mode. It will join your 560III's via the 603 mode and act as another manual remote controllable flash. I have the same setup. I trigger them all with a 560-TX, each in a separate group for individual control.

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Jun 14, 2017 09:46 |  #13

Been following this thread. Most of my shooting is outdoors. I would like to acquire a flash for outdoor macro work and for occasional indoor photos. Perhaps, I would to also use an off camera flash. So, would I be better off with a new Yonguo, new Godox, or used Canon 430 iii, or used Canon 580iii?

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