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Jun 26, 2017 14:29 |  #1

I took several candid shots of this Burkina Faso friend at a party. Here is a before and after that I'd like critiqued. Actually they are different shots in a burst. I didn't edit the first one. I did a lot of editing on the second in Lightroom only. Unfortunately, I couldn't get her skin tone to be realistic in this available-light series (she has a much richer dark - almost blue-black - complexion).


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Jun 26, 2017 15:17 |  #2

In the second image, she is very red with perhaps some green.

Have you tried using a WB reading using the white of her eyes? This may get you a good starting point.


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Jun 26, 2017 21:07 as a reply to  @ Micro5797's post |  #3

Hadn't tried that:oops:
Here are two more attempts I think they're both much better. Thanks Micro.


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Jun 27, 2017 05:49 |  #4

Last two are super-blue! I think originally you were on the right track colorwise. For skin you should go into PS - LR is not made for this despite some tutorials try to tell us :D Also in PS - couple curves/color adjustment layers will do the trick, imo. Right in the LR you could drop a bit of saturation down. And about those eyes - red as f*** - anoter layer for them - perhaps just desaturate and lighten a bit [that's what I do, when I am too lazy to clean up all those blood thingies].

And, you know this - it's a bit too tight :]

The same layer for the eyes. Master adjustments and then just bring doooown the reds. Well, you get my drift :]


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Jun 27, 2017 16:39 as a reply to  @ olafs osh's post |  #5

Here's the way she looks with flash. The geezer in the photo is not me. With incandescent light I just can't seem to manage the color balance to get her dark skin tones.


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Jun 27, 2017 17:00 |  #6

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That flash shot really doesn't work. But that's really not the big issue. If the flash is on camera, bounce it. If it's off camera (not easy at a party) use a modifier that diffuses the light well (or bounce it). If you are using the built-in camera flash unit, you probably shouldn't be ... that's actually suitable only for gentle 'fill' or very desperate situations.

My wife (now, sadly, passed) was black and our son is 'half'. Of course, his complexion is much lighter but it raises the same kind of challenges in terms of capturing actual skin tones. I recently bought an X-rite Passport Colour Checker gizmo for about five-times what I would consider a fair price. But, when you use it, it really delivers. Skin colour is absolutely spot-on. I could not be more satisfied with the results ... despite my unhappiness with the price.

I haven't tried out the X-rite gizmo on the other everyday bane of my photographic life ... capturing bleached out Caucasians and dark West Africans successfully together in group shots. But I am hopeful. (It helps to have a camera with a wide dynamic range.)


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Jun 27, 2017 19:13 as a reply to  @ DaviSto's post |  #7

I totally agree with what you said; however, I posted the flash shot to show what her skin tones really look like. The flash got it almost perfectly right. She has that very dark almost blue-black pure-African complexion which I like a lot. It's just a challenge to get it right (for me) in tungsten light. I wish I had had a gray card during the party where I met her. Hopefully I'll get her to do a photo-shoot someday and I'll have time to experiment with different lighting.


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Jun 28, 2017 16:31 as a reply to  @ olafs osh's post |  #8

Thanks for the suggestion to use Photoshop. You're right about that and the eyes. I got into it and here's the result. I applied a glamour-glow, tweaked color balance, worked on an eye layer, and a few more things I don't remember.


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Jun 30, 2017 06:35 |  #9

I have a family of nine children, six of which are black (adopted.
The only way that I have gotten the colors is by using this...http://xritephoto.com/​colorchecker-targets (external link)


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Jun 30, 2017 06:43 as a reply to  @ chauncey's post |  #10

I (only recently) picked up one of the Colour Checker product range. They are expensive for what they are but they do the job (for all skin tones).


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Jul 01, 2017 20:05 |  #11

chauncey wrote in post #18390642 (external link)
I have a family of nine children, six of which are black (adopted.
The only way that I have gotten the colors is by using this...http://xritephoto.com/​colorchecker-targets (external link)

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I (only recently) picked up one of the Colour Checker product range. They are expensive for what they are but they do the job (for all skin tones).

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Thanks Chauncey and DaviSto for the tips, but is that color board really any better than a gray card? How do you decide which color to look at and use as the exposure basis? Would you use different colors (on the card) for black vs white skin?


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Jul 02, 2017 02:49 as a reply to  @ Qbx's post |  #12

It comes with software that allows you to set up a camera profile for specific light conditions. You then apply that profile in post. It's very straightforward and quick (LR add-in). The process takes into account the full array of colours not just the individual cell that is 18% grey.

You would apply the same profile to all skin tones and all should be accurately represented. You can always go on to edit further from that starting point.


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Jul 03, 2017 08:38 |  #13

As an example this is a shot of them all.

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chauncey wrote in post #18393116 (external link)
As an example this is a shot of them all.

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EDIT ... I did manage to get to the photograph eventually using the link that appeared above in this message (i.e. my reply) but that seems to have disappeared again. Strange goings on.

Meanwhile, it's quite a crew you have there!


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Jul 03, 2017 09:47 as a reply to  @ chauncey's post |  #15

I'd love to see the photo, so why not try putting it into your gallery here.


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