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Jun 29, 2017 18:29 |  #121

LOL, the 1DXII was such a subpar camera with its cropped 4K footage in crappy codec that it was used as a gimbal and crane camera on Alcon Media's Blade Runner 2049, directed by Dennis Villanueve and DP'd by Roger Deakins.

Canon is doomed! /s

Canon has chosen to pursue high end video markets with their 5DIV, 1DXII, C200, C300II and C700. The 6D is not part of that equation. Get over it. You don't see A7RII with their "flawless" (it's not) full frame 4K footage used for this type of market - professional video with cooling and high bit rate / IQ.

If you intend to VLOG at low bit rates, get a GH5 or A6500 and live with the smaller sensor. There's the A9, but honestly, at $4500, it's too much for vloggers, and for $6000, you can get a C200 or FS7 as a working professional without having to spend extra on ND filters and XLR capture devices, extra screens, 4K capture boxes, etc. Asking for a 6D Mark II with 4K uncropped footage that has the quality of a C300 Mark II / Arri Alexa / Red Scarlet at full frame is just too hilarious.


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Jun 29, 2017 18:31 |  #122

rantercsr wrote in post #18390192 (external link)
Im curious about how much of a crop will the in camera IS will create.. would how much movement there is be a factor?

There is definitely going to be some crop involved ... otherwise the whole concept falls flat on its face. In principle it would be 'tunable'. Turn it up and lose more of the image at its edges. Turn it down to zero and you get the entire frame but only the IS that the lens provides.


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Jun 29, 2017 18:33 |  #123

idkdc wrote in post #18390197 (external link)
Asking for a 6D Mark II with 4K uncropped footage that has the quality of a C300 Mark II / Arri Alexa / Red Scarlet at full frame is just too hilarious.]


oh , Is that the level of 4k people are asking for ? lol

I don't think anyone expects that type of video quality for 2k


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Jun 29, 2017 18:37 |  #124

I rather like the "Paper" specs of the 6D2 - looks like a very versatile camera and a great backup for my uses.

I don't really understand the criticisms of the lack of 4K - is it important? I thought it was a stills camera?

Anyway if people feel that 4K matters then fine. I don't even know how to turn video on, and don't care to find out, life is too short! The other specs (the ones I have a use for) look promising - I am waiting for some real world results. Looks tempting so far..............


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Jun 29, 2017 18:37 |  #125

rantercsr wrote in post #18390202 (external link)
oh , Is that the level of 4k people are asking for ? lol

I don't think anyone expects that type of video quality for 2k

For 2K, you don't get any full frame camera with DPAF video, period. Canon has decided to target the cinema market. Vloggers who pixel peep aren't their audience. Spend the $2800-3500 new for the A7RII and use it in cropped mode if quality is any concern for you and stability isn't, or spring for the 5D IV and work with the 1.7 crop.


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Jun 29, 2017 18:40 |  #126

Forgot to ask, if anybody knows, can this "Digital Stabiliser" thingy be permanently disabled?

I have quite enough problems with my photography without yet another IS/VR/OS system interfering!


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Jun 29, 2017 18:41 |  #127

johnf3f wrote in post #18390210 (external link)
Forgot to ask, if anybody knows, can this "Digital Stabiliser" thingy be permanently disabled?

I have quite enough problems with my photography without yet another IS/VR/OS system interfering!

You should be able to turn it off, as with any setting in camera.


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Jun 29, 2017 18:42 as a reply to  @ idkdc's post |  #128

They are actually using the a7rii , a7sii , a6500 , gh5 , very much ..


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Jun 29, 2017 18:44 as a reply to  @ idkdc's post |  #129

Hope so!

Sorry I hate stabilisers - just too many lost shots, though many find it helpful.


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Jun 29, 2017 18:44 |  #130

rantercsr wrote in post #18390169 (external link)
what about to retain?

again,, I'm not saying the 6d2 is a bad camera.. awesome upgrade for someone with a 6d or moving from apsc , rebel , 70d etc.

I really think canon could have had themselves a real winner for a larger market if they had included just 24 and 30fps 4k
perhaps not for you , but people (aspiring photographer , videographers)love watching vloggers on youtube , and one of the most common question is "what camera do you use?"
and more and more of these vlogeres are switching to 4k capable cameras ..

That may not affect you , or me ... but , any company no matter its size should be concerned about winning over new customer base.. if they want a future .. their old timers will die lol..

What we have to remember is, we are quite a small percentage of people who buy cameras. The majority of uses wouldn't care about these kinda of features or likely even know how to fully utilize them. I know of so many people who have posted on social media that they buy bodies like the 5D3 just to get "less blurry photos". So many tourists I see have FF bodies with their kit lenses and are content with that. I think they understand as people get more and more skilled, they upgrade their gear.

If someone is just getting into vlogging there would be no point to go all out on your gear when you have no idea if you'll like to vlog or if you can even build a following. You would start off with basic gear and upgrade as you go along. You are always going to have unhappy customers and you can't please everyone so retaining a small minority of customers wouldn't be as higher priority as maintaining the majority.


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Jun 29, 2017 18:46 |  #131

rantercsr wrote in post #18390202 (external link)
oh , Is that the level of 4k people are asking for ? lol

I don't think anyone expects that type of video quality for 2k

I think it is about time the video guys got real and accepted that their's is a specialist craft that demands dedicated tools. It's frankly hopeless and a bit ridiculous and pathetic to look to stills cameras to do the business for them.

It's nice to have video capability in my serious stills camera so that I can record a child blowing out the candles at his birthday party but that's all I want from it.

If I want to vlog bits of my life, I'll buy something cheap, cheerful and very light to do that. If I, strangely, found myself seriously into producing quality video, I'd buy a proper video camera.

Photography is quite expensive .. video photography is very expensive. Too bad!


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Jun 29, 2017 18:47 |  #132

But the issue is that 6dii offers very crippled 1080/60p with low bitrate and high compression at only 60mbps. This is worse than the original 6d which offered ALL-I 1080/30p at 90mbps. Will see how it handls moire/aliasing (don't hold your breath). Entry level FF is still meant for enthusiasts not total newbies.

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How do you feel about the 6d2 price ?


I'm actually quite happy with it. It's very close to that of the 6D2 at release and what I would say is a fair price for an entry level FF body. I got my 6D for $1414 a year after release but with the specs the 6D2 has, I'm happy to pay the high price at release to get this amazing body.

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I get that there are many who dont use th eir dslrs for video , and so 4k or whatevr video features dont matter..

But ,, when alot of other camera makers are including features that are becoming almost expected from new cameras and not having any issues .. doenst it make you question canons explanations as to why they wont ..
I try my hardest not to give it thougjt..i went though some major irritation lol when 80d amd 5d4 came out.. that being said i just got an 80d .. im accepting canons ways because there is something about canon images (color science i suppose).. but i dont get making excuses for a company who once lead the way and is now determin3d to play it safe..
Again im not saying no one should be cont3nt with canon cameras , but i have to admit seems odd they keep leaving featurs out and the excuses r3ally do see like bs

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In a way was just saying that Sony is ahead of Canon.

At 2k this camera actually isn't a bad deal at all but you can get a lot cheaper Crop body that will perform really well when compared which is what boggles my mind.

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As people have stated on this forum and others, Sony is a lot newer to the camera industry compared to Canon so to gain market share, they have to offer more for less to gain that traction. If Sony or Nikon had the position that Canon does do you think they would still offer the same amount of features for the same price?

People care too much about what specs are on paper rather than what the camera or you can do in the real world. You can still get by with 1080 60p video. If someone new to photography asks what body to get, we don't recommend them a 5D4/1DX since they usually won't make full use of those bodies for the price they would pay. A 6D2 is meant for people who are new to the FF world or who are enthusiasts. Features will always be determined by cost for the large companies who don't need win over a new customer base.




  
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Jun 29, 2017 18:50 |  #133

johnf3f wrote in post #18390214 (external link)
Hope so!

Sorry I hate stabilisers - just too many lost shots, though many find it helpful.

It's only there for video. Doesn't work for stills ... ... ... yet.


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Jun 29, 2017 18:50 |  #134

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For 2K, you don't get any full frame camera with DPAF video, period. .

and that's why they should have done it ..

that's why I say it would have been a massive hit.. i''m not saying as is, it wont be successful.


just your basic (nowadays) 24 and 30p 4k video at a simple 4,2,0 ...

anyways it is what it is ,, i'm just a bit confused why some don't think that camera wouldn't have been better off with than without


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Jun 29, 2017 18:52 |  #135

DaviSto wrote in post #18390218 (external link)
I think it is about time the video guys got real and accepted that their's is a specialist craft that demands dedicated tools. It's frankly hopeless and a bit ridiculous and pathetic to look to stills cameras to do the business for them.

It's nice to have video capability in my serious stills camera so that I can record a child blowing out the candles at his birthday party but that's all I want from it.

If I want to vlog bits of my life, I'll buy something cheap, cheerful and very light to do that. If I, strangely, found myself seriously into producing quality video, I'd buy a proper video camera.

Photography is quite expensive .. video photography is very expensive. Too bad!


people are making a very successful living with video using a7sii, gh4, gh5 , a6500,,,
and were doing so with 5d2 , 5d3 , 70d


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