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May 27, 2017 07:18 |  #31

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The 2 newest rebels have a 24Mpx DPAF sensor, which is not the same as the 7D/60D, etc. That 18Mpx sensor is dead at this point.

nope! t2i, t3i, t4i, t5i and SL1 all have the same 18mp sensor
hmm oops! I guess I meant 5 rebels not 6. my bad :D


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May 27, 2017 07:19 |  #32

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nope! t2i, t3i, t4i, t5i and SL1 all have the same 18mp sensor
hmm oops! I guess I meant 5 rebels not 6. my bad :D

Those aren't the newest rebels. The T7i and 77D are the 2 newest rebels. The 77D (would have been called the T7s) is what we are discussing in this thread.

Canon no longer has any camera in production that uses the 7D 18Mpx sensor. You also missed the T6 in your list, but I would consider any of these that have DPAF to have different sensors, as the 7D sensor wasn't a dual pixel hybrid design. ;)


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May 27, 2017 07:31 |  #33

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18364081 (external link)
Those aren't the newest rebels. The T7i and 77D are the 2 newest rebels. The 77D (would have been called the T7s) is what we are discussing in this thread.

Canon no longer has any camera in production that uses the 7D 18Mpx sensor. You also missed the T6 in your list. ;)

Oh yeah! so I guess I was right there are 6 Rebels using the same sensor. :D

I wasn't talking about the newest Rebels but more like wondering if Canon have been doing and will do what they did with their 18mp sensor, putting the same 24mp sensor into a bunch of Rebels.


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May 27, 2017 07:36 |  #34

It won't be a bad thing as long as it is the new APS-C 24Mpx sensor and not the older 24Mpx variant. I am sure the 80D sensor will be found in quite a few bodies going forward.

I am not sure we will see a 7D3 though, but if we do, it will probably sport a larger resolution variant, like 28Mpx. Couple that with a very low AA filter, or none, and it would be interesting. If there is a new APS-C sensor different from the 80D, then it would probably be introduced with a 7D3.


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May 27, 2017 10:33 |  #35

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The real question is do they all share the same sensor like the 18mp sensor used in 7D, 60D, t2i to t5i and SL1 (amazing that 6! Rebels shared the same sensor)?

Other than that the xxD bodies also got better optical view finders, prism vs mirror for the Rebels and I personally prefer the control wheel. Its just too bad that Canon got rid of the joystick and magnesium alloy body since the 60D

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imho the 80D is probably the most interesting apsc body Canon has released in many years.

It's almost funny that some actually compare its AF with the 1 single cross type af in the 6D.
With the 45 all cross type af you are actually able to track subjects with all the outer points while the 6D is really only able to do that reliably with it's center point...

I shoot a lot in low light and/or confusing scenes of leaves, weeds and branches at multiple depths that cause severe hunting with the 7D2 with center-point AF. 9-point allows the camera to possibly focus on the wrong thing (one of the 8 outer points, but not all that often, IME), but is much, much less prone to time- and opportunity-wasting hunting, and if it focuses on an outer point, a small move of the camera and re-hit of the shutter button half-way usually gets the right thing in focus, if it didn't happen the first time. Because of this, I often use a lens at f/5.6 minimum f-number instead of using a TC to bring it to f/8, because the 7D2 has no 9-point for f/8. So, I am sure that at least in some circumstances, the 80D AF would be an upgrade to the 7D2's, even if the AF is not as sophisticated. Having f/8 only in the center point is one of the 7D2's biggest weaknesses, IMO. The other is that the read noise is not as low as something like the D500, but in good light, the one-point f/8 AF is the camera's biggest weakness, IMO. Even just 9 points at f/8 would have made the 7D2 so much better, IMO.




  
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May 27, 2017 11:00 |  #36

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Thanks for the input.

The size of the "chassis" doesn't matter much to me, I'm most concerned with low ISO capabilities, FPS, and speed/accuracy of the AF system.

Fair enough statement, but if you pick up both my guess is you will like the "feel" of the 80D. I am reminded when my niece picked up my 60D to take a few images. She is quite knowledgeable about using Canon, owning a T5i. She immediately said "what an awesome camera in the hands". That also is the reason why I selected the 60D at the time of purchase. I just like some "heft" in my hands as I think it helps in making motion minimized images.




  
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May 27, 2017 11:11 as a reply to  @ post 18310172 |  #37

the 77D (aka T7s) does have a handful of advantages. It’s smaller and significantly lighter, with a newer processing engine on board and a broader ISO range.

the 77D has both Bluetooth and Wi-Fi while the 80D only has Wi-Fi

77D uses digital 5-way image stabilization for video giving the 77D a leg up., something the 80D lacks.

77D has Canon's latest Digic 7 processor, compared to the Digic 6 on the 80D.

The native ISO range tops out at 25600 on Digic 7 vs 12800 on Digic 6.

the 77D body weighs about 25% less than the 80D, and the body is also smaller (8mm narrower, 6mm shorter).

I think most aspiring pros would prefer the larger 80D if for no other reason name recognition (meaning: "they don't want a Rebel") but you have to admit this makes a compelling case for the cheaper quazi Rebel T7s

I'm sure the 90D will have Digic-7, Bluetooth and 5 way IS.... but until then the 77D has the technical edge, though the 80D has heavier construction and weatherproofing, better viewfinder, faster shutter fps, and bigger battery




  
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May 27, 2017 11:38 |  #38

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She immediately said "what an awesome camera in the hands". That also is the reason why I selected the 60D at the time of purchase. I just like some "heft" in my hands as I think it helps in making motion minimized images.

In looking at some of the YouTube video segments in which professional photographers have commented about the Sony A9, a number of them have verbalized that the slightly larger body of the A9 felt so much better in hand, compared to the prior Sony mirrorless bodies. We need only look at the number of folks who buy battery grips for the nnnD bodies simply for a place for their pinky to rest, to realize that size does matter for many! The amount of bulk in the A9 molded standard grip, being larger than in earlier Sony molded grips, is an appeal, not merely the place for the pinky.


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May 27, 2017 12:39 |  #39

80D over 77D, which is a glorified Rebel as others have mentioned. Unless you're shooting video/live view a lot, I would still nudge you to look at the 7DII. It has a large buffer (I can fire off a burst of 30 RAW frames before hitting the buffer) and can shoot, nearly, to the end of the card in full sized JPEG. Dual Digic 6 gives faster clearing of that buffer vs single proc in the 80D; the FPS is configurable, too, so you can set your capture rate as low/high as you like (up to 10); AF configurable for various situations is great and the thing is built like a tank.

Side by side features list: https://www.dpreview.c​om …eos7dii&sortDir​=ascending (external link)

The DPAF only applies to Live View, to my understanding; which is quite difficult to do for shooting action stills if you're not shooting from a tripod or stabilization rig. So, the large gains of the 80D seem less applicable for what you're shooting, to me.


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May 27, 2017 12:56 |  #40

Snydremark wrote in post #18364245 (external link)
80D over 77D, which is a glorified Rebel as others have mentioned. Unless you're shooting video/live view a lot, I would still nudge you to look at the 7DII. It has a large buffer (I can fire off a burst of 30 RAW frames before hitting the buffer) and can shoot, nearly, to the end of the card in full sized JPEG. Dual Digic 6 gives faster clearing of that buffer vs single proc in the 80D; the FPS is configurable, too, so you can set your capture rate as low/high as you like (up to 10); AF configurable for various situations is great and the thing is built like a tank.

Side by side features list: https://www.dpreview.c​om …eos7dii&sortDir​=ascending (external link)

The DPAF only applies to Live View, to my understanding; which is quite difficult to do for shooting action stills if you're not shooting from a tripod or stabilization rig. So, the large gains of the 80D seem less applicable for what you're shooting, to me.


great comparo..... but the OP was comparing a $900 77D to the $1,100 80D

you suggested the $1,500 discontinued 5D Mark II, a great camera to be sure, but in a different league as the current 5D Mark III is $2,300

your pick of the two the OP mentioned was the 80D, which features sway you towards the 80D over the 77D?




  
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May 27, 2017 13:52 |  #41

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great comparo..... but the OP was comparing a $900 77D to the $1,100 80D

you suggested the $1,500 discontinued 5D Mark II, a great camera to be sure, but in a different league as the current 5D Mark III is $2,300

your pick of the two the OP mentioned was the 80D, which features sway you towards the 80D over the 77D?

If you re-read, it was the 7DII, not the 5DII, that I recommended.

80D max shutter is 1/8000 vs 1/4000, controls and ergonomics are 'generally' more robust on the mid-range cameras, higher available frame rate and flash sync speeds, viewfinder coverage and magnification are both closer to 100% on the 80D, primarily.


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May 29, 2017 05:21 |  #42

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I shoot a lot in low light and/or confusing scenes of leaves, weeds and branches at multiple depths that cause severe hunting with the 7D2 with center-point AF. 9-point allows the camera to possibly focus on the wrong thing (one of the 8 outer points, but not all that often, IME), but is much, much less prone to time- and opportunity-wasting hunting, and if it focuses on an outer point, a small move of the camera and re-hit of the shutter button half-way usually gets the right thing in focus, if it didn't happen the first time. Because of this, I often use a lens at f/5.6 minimum f-number instead of using a TC to bring it to f/8, because the 7D2 has no 9-point for f/8. So, I am sure that at least in some circumstances, the 80D AF would be an upgrade to the 7D2's, even if the AF is not as sophisticated. Having f/8 only in the center point is one of the 7D2's biggest weaknesses, IMO. The other is that the read noise is not as low as something like the D500, but in good light, the one-point f/8 AF is the camera's biggest weakness, IMO. Even just 9 points at f/8 would have made the 7D2 so much better, IMO.

I was just wondering why some people brought up the AF in 6D and tried to compare it to the 80D when there is huge difference between the af system in these two cameras.

80D: 45 cross points with the center point sensitive down to -3ev
6D: 1 center cross point (-3ev) plus 10 non cross points which means its pretty useless for tracking moving subjects using other than the center af point


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Jul 01, 2017 21:38 |  #43

With 1D MkIV bodies now well under $1000 I would take another over the bodies mentioned. Solid, reliabie and easy to use for sports, wildlife & most anything you can imagine. With bigger lenses the 1 series bodies balance and work so well. Just comfortable to use.


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Mar 20, 2018 10:47 |  #44

I recently considered both the 77D and 80D to replace my SL1 "travel" camera.

I went with the 80D mainly because of:

1) 100% pentaprism vs 95% pentamirror

2) same battery as my 5D3

3) f/8 vs f/5.6 AF

4) 7 fps vs 6 fps

5) 1/8000


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Mar 20, 2018 11:31 |  #45

The 80D as a refurb direct from Canon can be had for $815 (body only). See the thread I started at https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1493891.




  
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