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Jul 01, 2017 22:48 as a reply to  @ post 18392143 |  #451

So again, cinema cameras aren't FF 35mm for practical reasons. One such reason is that 35mm is a different aspect (so the camera is having to do interpolation anyway). They're also sticking with set standards, like super35 format, so that crews can use their previous equipment.


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Jul 01, 2017 22:53 |  #452

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So did our neighbor's dog, how coincidental...

Now if you shot that on your 5D4, how much better would the shadow recovery be on said poop:lol:


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Jul 01, 2017 23:02 |  #453

davesrose wrote in post #18392185 (external link)
So again, cinema cameras aren't FF 35mm for practical reasons. One such reason is that 35mm is a different aspect (so the camera is having to do interpolation anyway). They're also sticking with set standards, like super35 format, so that crews can use their previous equipment.

5dii was a well received by the cinema industry during its tenure.

1dc does 1.3 not super 35.


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Jul 01, 2017 23:06 |  #454

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5dii was a well received by the cinema industry during its tenure.

1dc does 1.3 not super 35.

Read my post again. I said the 1Dc does APS-H. The 5D was used for certain shots, but most of the cinema industry is recording with Arri and RED...systems that are predominately super35


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Jul 01, 2017 23:49 |  #455

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5dii was a well received by the cinema industry during its tenure.

1dc does 1.3 not super 35.


Can you show me in the details that it's 4k is at 1.3? B&H doesn't make mention that it's cropped in from FF
It does show that HD can be put in super 35.

Edit: nevermind, found it on Canon's page


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Jul 01, 2017 23:59 |  #456

ma11rats wrote in post #18392217 (external link)
Can you show me in the details that it's 4k is at 1.3? B&H doesn't make mention that it's cropped in from FF
It does show that HD can be put in super 35.

https://www.usa.canon.​com …ema-eos/eos-1d-c/eos-1d-c (external link)

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Jul 02, 2017 00:25 |  #457

davesrose wrote in post #18392197 (external link)
Read my post again. I said the 1Dc does APS-H. The 5D was used for certain shots, but most of the cinema industry is recording with Arri and RED...systems that are predominately super35

I don't buy that explanation, any canon cam does full sensor 1080. These cams don't have to follow industry standards anyhow, they aren't conventional industry video devices. Canon has a full lineup of Cine lenses not built for super 35.


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Jul 02, 2017 00:40 |  #458

Charlie wrote in post #18392234 (external link)
I don't buy that explanation, any canon cam does full sensor 1080. These cams don't have to follow industry standards anyhow, they aren't conventional industry video devices. Canon has a full lineup of Cine lenses not built for super 35.

http://www.hispeedcams​.com …s-fps-back-into-the-game/ (external link)

It's a 1.35x crop, I think, and it's to map a specific ratio pixel to pixel for maximizing quality, just like the crop mode on the a7rii vs its binned mode. Just like the 2x2 to 1 mapping on the iPad and Macbook retina screens. This makes it computationally easier for the processor, ircc.


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Jul 02, 2017 01:19 |  #459

davesrose wrote in post #18392185 (external link)
So again, cinema cameras aren't FF 35mm for practical reasons. One such reason is that 35mm is a different aspect (so the camera is having to do interpolation anyway). They're also sticking with set standards, like super35 format, so that crews can use their previous equipment.

Look, Canon's 1DXII and 5DIV cameras, as well as Sony's A9 camera, shoot 1080p video in full mode.
The A9 shoots 4K in full mode as well - while the 1DXII and 5DIV shoot 4K only in crop mode.

So, if there is a practical advantage to shooting in crop mode, then this advantage applies only to Canon cameras and only for 4K.
I wonder what that special advantage is?? LOL

The reason (some) cinematographers use DSLRs is for the 'unique photographic look'.
Yes, it's a cliche - and yes, the cliche is true, as that's what they are after.

That's the advantage of a FF sensor when it comes to video.
Note that the 'unique photographic look' look is lost when you crop.

Well, if you need more 'reach', then it certainly makes sense to shoot in crop mode.
But that's not the reason why the 1DXII and the 5DIV can only shoot 4K in crop mode.




  
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Jul 02, 2017 01:21 |  #460

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The 5Dc was like even more from what I recall, and even for the time, it was still an entry level FF camera. Camera costs have gone down a lot during the years, the 5Dii branched to a pro camera 5Diii and the 6D took it's place with the single cross type AF point entry level. The pricing went up with the 5Diii and down with the 6D. 5Dc was entry level and cost a lot too.


Another era. 5Dc was of course the "affordable" full frame, as the only other one you could buy was the 1Ds Mark II which was an $8k body. At the time, Only Canon and Kodak had full frame. Nothing from Nikon, and SONY was a mere babe. I don't think Canon had any idea who was goingh to buy the 5D,. but it quickly became a favorite of wedding pros, and a second body for many other kinds of pro. IMHO The 5 Series really stepped into full Pro mode with the 5D3.


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Jul 02, 2017 01:24 |  #461

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I guess that makes me a semi-Luddite. I dearly wish some manufacturer, any of them, would come out with no frills, NONE, fully manual full frame camera that has only two modes: ON & OFF. No AF, No Auto-anything. Just a shutter speed dial, an aperture ring on the lens, and an ISO setting, and just for kicks, limit that to max 800. I don't even care if it has a meter. I'll take it from there. Sell it for $500 and they'd sell millions of them. I'd buy 3 of them. One for use, one for backup, and one for spit and giggles.


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Jul 02, 2017 01:30 as a reply to  @ x-vision's post |  #462

Just like stills on a crop vs FF, you just get a wider and slightly faster lens to get that look and combat the crop video effect.


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Jul 02, 2017 02:15 |  #463

http://support-th.canon-asia.com …nts/TH/EN/03027​46901.html (external link)?

Manual is available for download.

I remember some people saying that they don't like how the 5D4 AF points light up black rather than red, well appears 6D2 lights up red. Page 133 states AF points light up red so yay.


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Jul 02, 2017 02:17 |  #464

Just my take on the 4k issue. If you are shooting your camera for anywhere from 3-5years before upgrading you want to have some semblance of future proofing. Everything is moving to 4k whether its necessary or not so canon could have included at least some kind of 4k video, even 24p should work for most situations.

As for everything else we really need to wait for user reviews. 45af sounds great but I even 9 points all cross type further spread apart would be better. 1/4000ss? was that really necessary?

However, heres to the 6d2 having really good files to work with.


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Jul 02, 2017 02:40 |  #465

Page 145 is interesting. Not all lenses can fully utilize all AF points.

For example, my 35mm f/2 IS can utilize the dual cross type center point, but my 100L can't. The 35mm is my most used lens so this is great news for me. I wonder how this will work with third party lenses?


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