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Jul 12, 2017 15:41 |  #16

We were shooting brown bears at Lake Clark AK with most of the week having rain and overcast. The Canikon DSLRs and/or their lenses around us were failing from weather penetration. The folks were trying to use rain sleeves, trash bag, their panchos...etc. The wife just exted the lens hoods to keep drops off the front element. The leader of the trip came up to me and quietly said he could not believe our equipment had no problem with the rain.


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Jul 12, 2017 16:32 |  #17

MCAsan wrote in post #18400543 (external link)
We were shooting brown bears at Lake Clark AK with most of the week having rain and overcast. The Canikon DSLRs and/or their lenses around us were failing from weather penetration. The folks were trying to use rain sleeves, trash bag, their panchos...etc. The wife just exted the lens hoods to keep drops off the front element. The leader of the trip came up to me and quietly said he could not believe our equipment had no problem with the rain.
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That's awesome! And the 12-40mm would have equal sealing correct? I'm thinking of going with that lens first for the reason of weather sealing.


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Jul 12, 2017 21:38 |  #18

It's weather sealed, so I'd think it would be comparable to the bigger zooms. I just received my Oly 12-40 2.8 today from B&H and wow, it's one well made piece of glass! Insanely fast AF and well balanced on my E-M1 II. I think I'm going to like this lens a lot :-D


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Jul 12, 2017 22:06 as a reply to  @ Lyndön's post |  #19

All of the Pro lenses are weather sealed. We have and use 7-14mm, 12-40mm, 40-150mm and 300mm. We have the 1.4TC and use it with the 40-150mm and 300mm. All 4 lenses, two E-M1 II bodies, batteries, chargers, and a MacBook all fit into a Tenba Large Messenger bag.




  
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Jul 18, 2017 06:54 |  #20

Sell the 7d while you can still get $300+ for it. Then put that towards an 80d and enjoy a much better camera.


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Jul 18, 2017 07:32 as a reply to  @ Jotto123's post |  #21

Buying another DSLR would go against the smaller/lighter "7D to mirrorless" path, don't you think?


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Jul 19, 2017 05:08 |  #22

Scott,

The 80D is an extremely light smaller mirrored body in the Canon world. Just marginally larger than a mirrorless Panasonic gh3/gh4 body. I actually sold all of my M43 gear and migrated to Fuji. During that time I also bought an crop sensor 80D as well.

The dynamic range on the 80D and fuji system would be a massive jump in performance over your 7d. IQ is a step above a micro 4/3 system without a doubt. My demands were to use a system where the RAW digital negative does not fall apart so quickly in low light. This is where Fuji files pushed hard still does not fall apart like the M43 system.

I have the 24 stm and the 80D would still be a reasonably small but certainly light combo. The small 35mm f/2 IS (newer gen to your current) is an incredible performer with excellent micro contrast than a Canon 35L mk1.

If you shoot architecture and street the M43 will work great as long as you do not shoot low light for other applications of your camera system.

This is where I can have reasonable comfort shooting amazing photos with my Canon and Fuji crop sensor in good light. When the evening comes around I can have very good performance in low light with no big complaints of my RAW file falling apart destroying detail. This was my main reason why I migrated to the Fuji system.

I found my previous Fuji X-T10 with 18-55 f/2.8-4.0 image stabilized kit lens produced much better IQ than my Olympus E-m5 and GH3 with Panasonic 12-35 f/2.8 pro lens. With my Fuji with Kit lens both ideal light and most importantly high iso photos were significantly better in IQ. When I purchased my Fuji X-T10 I sold my M43 gear instantly.

If your only concerned with daylight photography the M43 is truly a great system to get into. However if you look at the cost of an Olympus E-m1 mk2 body I'd most certainly be looking into a Fuji X-Pro2 or X-T2 for the architecture and street application and save money and produce better IQ.

In the M43 world I preferred Olympus colours over Panasonic. I just find Fuji colour very good straight out of camera.

If you just decided on buying an 80D you'd be blown away in the massive improvements over your 7D. It's smaller, lighter, articulating touchscreen, superior Dual pixel autofocus for 1080 video, better iso performance and dynamic range over a more expensive flagship Olympus E-M1 mk2 or $$$ Panasonic GH5.

Nothing is perfect so the gear must suite your needs and ergonomics. I've never considered a crop sensor in years but I'll admit the IQ from the Canon 80D and Fuji 16mp and 24mp sensor has truly shocked me in the IQ department.


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Jul 19, 2017 10:32 |  #23

I think the poster is looking for something weather sealed. The 80D is not weather sealed.




  
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Jul 19, 2017 12:45 |  #24

Canon Dog wrote in post #18405843 (external link)
I think the poster is looking for something weather sealed. The 80D is not weather sealed.


Oh yes I missed that......

Fuji has some form of weather resistant "WR" f/2 primes that an architecture or street guy would appreciate.

Scott, I urge you to borrow or rent camera gear before you jump on board. In my particular needs and IQ demands the M43 and pro lenses did not do it for me but for some it fits like a glove.

If a photographer shoots in good light all of the time but tolerate noise at high iso/low light the M43 will do a great job. If you calculate the cost of the higher tier lenses from M43 it's quite expensive. Not apples to apples in FOV but the Panasonic 50-140 f/2.8 is 1599USD and the Fuji 50-140 is the same price at 1599USD. I'd take a Fuji body w/ 50-140mm weather sealed lens over the Panasonic in a heartbeat.

I tried the M43 system for many many years and it never produced the IQ I wished for. The Fuji delivered IQ almost effortlessly with little work in post processing.

I still cannot replace my Canon gear with Fuji. However the Canon is my workhorse and my Fuji is a close match.

Please test/rent!!


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Jul 19, 2017 18:24 |  #25

I migrated over to Fuji after a year of shooting an X-T1 & 16-55 + 35/1.4 in one hand and a 5D3 with 'L' and sigma Art lenses in the other. I'm a full time pro & I shoot Fuji only now. Haven't looked back at all. If you are looking to do close up action shots consider an X-T1 s/h [a real bargain right now] if you want the WR or an X-T20 if you can go without. The X-T20's AF is really good. Fuji's lenses can be a little expensive but they are all nice to use and give good IQ, the new F2 range are WR with very fast AF motors and are priced very well.

Fujifilm's X-T20 weight is only 383g, the X-T1 is only 440g both including battery and card.

The E-M1 is 497g.


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Jul 20, 2017 22:57 |  #26

I just bought an Olympus EM-1 last night. I really don't need the best IQ; I never look at my photos in more than 1:2 magnification. I shoot a lot of 400 speed film, usually pushed to 1600, so the IQ on that is nowhere near what even a four thirds sensor can do, but I'm perfectly fine with that IQ. I don't print, ever. My photos just go here, Flickr, and Instagram so I really don't need the highest IQ. I wanted something small, without losing out on key features of my 7D (fast FPS and AF) which the E-M1 has.

Problem is, I bought the camera, but I haven't gotten a lens yet. I have a fancy new brink coming to my house soon :lol:


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Jul 21, 2017 08:13 |  #27

Did you get version 1 or 2?




  
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Jul 21, 2017 09:29 as a reply to  @ Canon Dog's post |  #28

Version one. My budget for my new setup was whatever the amount of money I could get for my Canon stuff. I just bought the 25mm f1.8 lens last night too. I'm planning on selling my 7D and remaining lenses soon and picking up the 12-40mm Pro. Those two lenses are really all I need for my style of photography.


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Jul 21, 2017 10:09 |  #29

I have the 25 1.8 and the 12-40 pro and they are both excellent. Congrats and have fun.




  
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Jul 21, 2017 13:31 |  #30

Scottboarding wrote in post #18407568 (external link)
Version one. My budget for my new setup was whatever the amount of money I could get for my Canon stuff. I just bought the 25mm f1.8 lens last night too. I'm planning on selling my 7D and remaining lenses soon and picking up the 12-40mm Pro. Those two lenses are really all I need for my style of photography.

For your requirements and style I think you may have found a perfect fit with the E-M1.


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