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Jul 19, 2017 02:49 |  #1

As I was shooting the She Devils, I glanced backwards and caught this onlooker with a steely expression also watching the drama unfold. I had the impression that she was somehow involved with the She Devils because of her expression of disgust. I thought that she would make a great candid portrait so I got a capture of her. In the first shot you can see the drama action reflected in the window glass. In the second shot, she had directed her steely gaze at me. This is not a women I'd want to tangle with.
Question: In the second shot, does the guy munching a sandwich ruin it?


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Jul 19, 2017 10:35 |  #2

Since image editing is OK, I've done a quick edit to show what I'd do. To emphasize her, I'd crop in more (it is busier on the left side of the frame vs right). Also applied very slight vignetting:


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Jul 19, 2017 11:42 |  #3

Put the head from the first image onto the second. Make wide crop /16:9/ by adding more to the right side. Bam!


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Jul 19, 2017 13:19 |  #4

davesrose wrote in post #18405847 (external link)
Since image editing is OK, I've done a quick edit to show what I'd do. To emphasize her, I'd crop in more (it is busier on the left side of the frame vs right). Also applied very slight vignetting:

Thanks for your critique and edit. That crop looks good, but I'd still like to know if the guy's image spoils the shot.

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Put the head from the first image onto the second. Make wide crop /16:9/ by adding more to the right side. Bam!

Head-swapping would be an interesting exercise in editing. Good idea; but since both shots were crops, I think I achieved that look by re-cropping, darkening the right and left and boosting contrast except for her arms where I reduced clarity. How does this work?


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Jul 19, 2017 14:52 as a reply to  @ Qbx's post |  #5

I like it! Only critique I might have is her left arm: seems to have a bit of a halo to it.


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Jul 19, 2017 15:04 |  #6

What a powerful woman. I especially like the second shot because of the pose and how she looks straight at us. As to the man eating in the background, I didn't even see him. I don't think he ruins the shot or even distracts the viewer because the lady is so powerful that all attention immediately goes to her. Well, my attention did anyway. :)


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Jul 19, 2017 15:21 |  #7

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What a powerful woman. I especially like the second shot because of the pose and how she looks straight at us. As to the man eating in the background, I didn't even see him. I don't think he ruins the shot or even distracts the viewer because the lady is so powerful that all attention immediately goes to her. Well, my attention did anyway. :)

Yes ... I think it's a fantastic portrait because she makes such a superb subject and it is a great and very expressive natural pose.

It helps that she is a really, really attractive woman (well, I think so), of course. Proves that you don't have to be in your twenties to be great looking and female. She's irritated about something but the overall mood of the picture is totally upbeat. There's tons of personality conveyed by this image. You feel like she is somebody it would be interesting to meet.

The 'man eating' hardly enters into things.

Get the crop right and this photo is an absolute winner.


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Jul 19, 2017 16:57 |  #8

I like the last edit c/o Olafs suggestion. I think the darkening on the right and lightening of arms is a bit OTT.


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Jul 22, 2017 03:06 |  #9

davesrose wrote in post #18406073 (external link)
I like it! Only critique I might have is her left arm: seems to have a bit of a halo to it.

Thanks for the critique. I think I've fixed that now.

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #18406078 (external link)
What a powerful woman. I especially like the second shot because of the pose and how she looks straight at us. As to the man eating in the background, I didn't even see him. I don't think he ruins the shot or even distracts the viewer because the lady is so powerful that all attention immediately goes to her. Well, my attention did anyway. :)

Thanks Levina. I like both shots; but like you, I lean toward the eye contact even though it's technically not a candid. The guy still bothers me though.

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Yes ... I think it's a fantastic portrait because she makes such a superb subject and it is a great and very expressive natural pose.

It helps that she is a really, really attractive woman (well, I think so), of course. Proves that you don't have to be in your twenties to be great looking and female. She's irritated about something but the overall mood of the picture is totally upbeat. There's tons of personality conveyed by this image. You feel like she is somebody it would be interesting to meet.

The 'man eating' hardly enters into things.

Get the crop right and this photo is an absolute winner.

I agree about this woman being really, really attractive. The man bugged me and then as I looked more, the towel roll bugged me. So I decided to take 'em both out and put in a table and a helmet. How'd I do?


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I like the last edit c/o Olafs suggestion. I think the darkening on the right and lightening of arms is a bit OTT.

I agree and I fixed both. Thanks Martin. Here's my last edit.


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Jul 22, 2017 07:09 |  #10

I didn't even notice the guy until I had to look, and even then, every time I looked I saw her. She easily dominates the photo for a lot of different reasons already mentioned. The helmet looks out of place in this last one to me.




  
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Jul 22, 2017 10:01 |  #11

The paper towels were distracting, but now the helmet is. It has too much detail. And I don't get the point of having the expanse of neg space at the right.


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Jul 23, 2017 17:25 |  #12

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I didn't even notice the guy until I had to look, and even then, every time I looked I saw her. She easily dominates the photo for a lot of different reasons already mentioned. The helmet looks out of place in this last one to me.

Thanks Chevyzen. I wonder if you had not seen the first shots and had only seen the one with the helmet, would you say the helmet looks out of place? I kind of had the same feeling when I pasted it in; but the more I look at it (after darkening it) the more natural it seems.

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The paper towels were distracting, but now the helmet is. It has too much detail. And I don't get the point of having the expanse of neg space at the right.

Good point on neg space. Just force of habit. In the other pic where she's looking away, it makes sense. I darkened the helmet to draw less attention to it.

I really like both photos for different reasons, so I'm inclined to make each one as good as possible. Thanks for your and everyone's help.


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Jul 23, 2017 17:38 |  #13

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Thanks Chevyzen. I wonder if you had not seen the first shots and had only seen the one with the helmet, would you say the helmet looks out of place? I kind of had the same feeling when I pasted it in; but the more I look at it (after darkening it) the more natural it seems.

Good point on neg space. Just force of habit. In the other pic where she's looking away, it makes sense. I darkened the helmet to draw less attention to it.

I really like both photos for different reasons, so I'm inclined to make each one as good as possible. Thanks for your and everyone's help.

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I really like both photos too ... although especially no. 2. And, in your shoes, I'd be prepared to put a good deal of effort into making the very best I could out of them.

But ... the bike helmet doesn't work for me, I'm afraid. It looks pasted in. I'd still focus mainly on just deemphasizing the sandwich eater and (especially) the kitchen roll.

How far is this place away for you? One option would be to go there again at a quiet time and get a clean shot of the lower background including the signage from just about the same spot (with a nice orderly empty table). Then you could layer in a completely clean background.

I do think the photos are worth a fair amount of work.


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Jul 23, 2017 18:30 |  #14

Last is my favorite.


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Jul 23, 2017 20:58 |  #15

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I really like both photos too ... although especially no. 2. And, in your shoes, I'd be prepared to put a good deal of effort into making the very best I could out of them.

But ... the bike helmet doesn't work for me, I'm afraid. It looks pasted in. I'd still focus mainly on just deemphasizing the sandwich eater and (especially) the kitchen roll.

How far is this place away for you? One option would be to go there again at a quiet time and get a clean shot of the lower background including the signage from just about the same spot (with a nice orderly empty table). Then you could layer in a completely clean background.

I do think the photos are worth a fair amount of work.

I agree with all of ^^^

the helmet toned down is better, but it still looks added in after to me. Maybe because I know it is.




  
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