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Aug 08, 2017 12:02 |  #1786

All words are offensive to someone. Myself, I look more for context and intent and less to the word itself.


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Aug 08, 2017 12:25 |  #1787

I'm surprised the dictionary is expanding. With all the words people find offensive these days, it seems like it would be dropping some major weight.

Oh crap, there I go, I said weight...and major...and some...and dropping...and and...I'm horrible!




  
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Aug 08, 2017 12:30 |  #1788

Anyone have a problem with disabled?

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Aug 08, 2017 12:30 |  #1789

Let's can the nastiness that is growing in this thread.
None of this is on topic, and it's just creating ill will towards your fellow forum members.


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Aug 08, 2017 12:45 |  #1790

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #18421421 (external link)
Seems to me that's what the 1D & 1Ds were. And then Canon sort of merged them and launched the 1DX.


There is a place in this world for specialization, and there is a place for a good compromise in features.

I do not own a 1DX strictly because I find that in the highest end products, specialization is important,. and trying to be a jack of all trades is too much compromise.

IMHO 5D3 and 5D4 are exactly where compromise works beautifully, the 1D not as much.

Just my point of view.


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Aug 08, 2017 12:46 |  #1791

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18422177 (external link)
Correct for the most part... a seasoned photographer hopefully brings experience, composition, and creativity to the table, where a new amateur photographer with a new camera will often produce technically better files, but not quite the composition and subject material.

However, though I would disagree about the odd lucky shot comment. There are new photographers coming out of school that have more of an artistic flare and a better mental eye than photographers that have been doing this for over 10 years. Once they know how to use that Rebel, or 80D, or entry level FF (6D), I would put their results against many of the best, despite their shorter photographic experience. There is no teaching that part, and some old photographers aren't quite of the caliber of some new photographers.

The "pro photographer can make better photographs with about any old camera over an amateure photographer with the best gear" is only a guideline, not a rule. To say otherwise is to have an elitist view.

To be fair (to me), I said good photographer not experienced photographer. I'm not denying the possibility of really exciting young photographers emerging any more than the possibility of some well-seasoned hacks just getting by churning out the same old stuff.

But we are agreeing ...


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Aug 08, 2017 12:52 |  #1792

It would be interesting to see a poll on how many people, either mildly interested in the 6D2 to those that placed preorders, that haven't now due to the castrated or throttled 6D2?

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Mildly interested, but wasn't in the market
Very interested, still watching reviews
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Pre-ordered, and canceled
Pre-ordered, and waiting
Going to still buy one in the near future
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I have mine, and it is okay...
I have mine, but I am returning it


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Aug 08, 2017 13:00 |  #1793

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18422381 (external link)
It would be interesting to see a poll on how many people, either mildly interested in the 6D2 to those that placed preorders, that haven't now due to the castrated or throttled 6D2?

Options:

Never interested
Mildly interested, but wasn't in the market
Very interested, still watching reviews
Was about to buy but not any longer
Pre-ordered, and canceled
Pre-ordered, and waiting
Going to still buy one in the near future
I have mine and like it!
I have mine, and it is okay...
I have mine, but I am returning it

Was interested, becoming less and less so the more I read, but not totally rejecting the possibility of buying one (yet).


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Aug 08, 2017 13:19 |  #1794

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Big pixels, very weak AA filter, I believe! :)

Yeah, once upon a time bigger pixels were better. Doesn't seem to be that any longer. Although it is remarkable that high end cameras are still relatively low on megapixels. Case in point the 1DXII and the Nikon D5. That's got to still mean something, doesn't it?

The 5D4 feels like my old 5Dc bodies though, the files have the same "organic" feel. The 6D is good in that regard too though, I believe, but I had less time with the 6D than I have with the 5D4.

It has only taken about a decade, but today's APS-C are about there too. The IQ out of the latest bodies are outstanding, especially considering the tone and type of discussions we have had over the years about crop vs FF. The gap is greatly reduced, it is now to the point you just get the right glass, you can just about replicate anything with APS-C as you can with FF, minus a few really fast primes and their results on a FF. It is refreshing to not really worry about which camera to take, and rather just worry about the glass.

I agree, Cary. Just yesterday I viewed some of the work of a bird photographer on flickr. From the look of his images I thought surely he had a high end full frame and one of the big whites. Turned out he was shooting with a 7DII and the 100=400/II. And the IQ was absolutely amazing. I was rather surprised by that to be honest. I didn't think the 7DII had that kind of quality on board. Shows you how biased I am. :oops:

Anyway, if I had the cash I would already have a 5DIV :-P (and not a 1DX if alone because the 5DIV is a full (metric) pound lighter and I'm starting to get older and weight matters more these days).


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Aug 08, 2017 13:31 |  #1795

I didn't think the 7DII had that kind of quality on board. Shows you how biased I am.

I have used a 7D since 2009, 7D2 since early 2015. I have 11x14 and 16x20 landscape prints on the wall, they will easily pass a close inspection. The 7D series are very good all-around cameras. There are a lot of posters who assume that a FF sensor is mandatory for high quality images. That is only true if the particular situation benefits from 2.5X as many photons (or a somewhat narrower DOF), and whether the FF sensor in question is actually doing something useful with those extra photons (some apparently aren't).

It is all about parameter space; the best sensors give you more parameter space to play with (a bigger sandbox if you will).

I see DPReview has their review of the 6D2 up. The term 'damned with faint praise' comes to mind.

Going to try out a 5DS and 5D4 in the next couple of months for landscape work, some portraits, to see if it makes a difference to me. Then I'll decide whether to acquire a FF body or more glass.


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Aug 08, 2017 13:32 |  #1796

The 5D4 is outstanding, definitely try to find a way to get one! I suspect the 6D3 will be an outstanding body too, and won't have any "steps back". :D


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Aug 08, 2017 13:37 |  #1797

Saving up for gear as the last year+ I have had none (liquidated all mine to build my kids a sweet treehouse). Loved the 6d, not lacking in much for my needs. That said, hard to decide if I want to get a used copy of a 6d, or get the 6d2. Interested in the more focal points, bigger file size and also in the 4k timelapse as upgraded features from original 6d.


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Aug 08, 2017 13:47 |  #1798

It may help to price bodies per shutter actuation.

For 100k actuations:

80D $1,499 CAD = 0.014 per actuation
6D2 $2,599 CAD = 0.025 per actuation
5D4 $4,419 CAD = 0.044 per actuation
1DX2 $7,999 CAD = 0.079 per actuation

The 5D4 should have more life in it under constant use than a 6D2 lowering the long term cost further.

If you shoot daily it may be worth the fraction of a cent per image to step up.

That said, is there any photo you can take with a 5D4 that you can't get with a 6D2? For most of us, I doubt it. If you need (as in really need, not just want) the top notch DR then perhaps it's your only option outside of Nikon or Sony.

For the money 80D + 6D2 is an excellent combination. If you can't capture 95% of your vision with those two bodies and decent lenses I don't think a 5D4, D850 or A7R2/3 will help you.

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Aug 08, 2017 13:53 |  #1799

John Sheehy wrote in post #18422145 (external link)
More interesting compositions on a consistent basis, perhaps, but an experienced photographer can not reduce the noise or resolve the image better than the camera can. Many photos can be nailed by a beginner, and the beginner with the better camera in those situations might take the better photos, because the camera was the main limiting factor for those photos.

Actually, I disagree. An experienced photographer isn't just better at composition, but also understands light and how to use it to it's best advantage, knows the camera being used and how to get the most out of it in a variety of shooting scenarios, and knows how to get the most out of an image in PP. Just because a newbie has a more capable camera doesn't mean that person possesses sufficient knowledge and skill to take advantage of those capabilities. There is a lot more to photography then pulling cleaner detail out of shadow areas or shooting at ISO 6400 and above. Maybe a newbie will occasionally get lucky, but the emphasis is on the word "lucky" unless they are naturally talented and blessed with a great eye.


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Aug 08, 2017 14:17 |  #1800

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18422381 (external link)
It would be interesting to see a poll on how many people, either mildly interested in the 6D2 to those that placed preorders, that haven't now due to the castrated or throttled 6D2?

Options:

Never interested
Mildly interested, but wasn't in the market
Very interested, still watching reviews
Was about to buy but not any longer
Pre-ordered, and canceled
Pre-ordered, and waiting
Going to still buy one in the near future
I have mine and like it!
I have mine, and it is okay...
I have mine, but I am returning it

I was very interested before the release and had pretty much been set to go with the 6D replacement, (5DIV just too costly) but was very disappointed in the actual camera. DR and lack of 4K were the deal killers. All other shortcomings I can work around.


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