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Aug 21, 2017 13:15 |  #916

I read this post from you: https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=18045628

I wonder w/ the new sekonic meter capable of measuring HSS if these values change at all?


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Aug 21, 2017 14:10 as a reply to  @ Talley's post |  #917

If you can see the pictures then your eyes will confirm the measurement.




  
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Aug 21, 2017 19:34 |  #918

jlafferty wrote in post #18433176 (external link)
Call me crazy but I overpower the sun with the AD360 all day and often need ND for the way I work (HSS usually). Not sure why you need 400ws much less 1200ws. To be clear I'm never looking to knock out sunlight entirely, just reposition the key or use the 360 as fill.

You know I am going to ask for the shots. And what modifer. Thanks in advance.


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Aug 22, 2017 04:17 as a reply to  @ bobbyz's post |  #919

In the Mother of all topics (AD360) we talked a lot of this and it does works. Before we had HSS, we used it all the time because has a long enough burn on full power as the AD600 is more powerful on full power with no HSS enabled.




  
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Aug 22, 2017 22:01 |  #920

I'll leave this up for a couple days. All Streaklight. Most of the mixed with ambient stuff is just a single Manual head, with the standard double diffuser over the reflector. All but five of these is just one light:

https://app.box.com …5faj3ecjuyyg55m​xrcsr35tar (external link)

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You know I am going to ask for the shots. And what modifer. Thanks in advance.


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Aug 22, 2017 22:22 |  #921

jlafferty wrote in post #18434560 (external link)
I'll leave this up for a couple days. All Streaklight. Most of the mixed with ambient stuff is just a single Manual head, with the standard double diffuser over the reflector. All but five of these is just one light:

https://app.box.com …5faj3ecjuyyg55m​xrcsr35tar (external link)

Excellent... no complaints here.

You just proved to me though that I'm such a newb with way more gear than I know what to do with.

Thanks... :oops:


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Aug 23, 2017 05:28 as a reply to  @ jlafferty's post |  #922

In your pictures the light is mainly used as fill light next the big light in the sky.

This is not killing the sunlight but working with it and it is very well executed here. Killing the sunlight is more having enough reserve to fill even in the brightest sun.

If you really want to kill the sun you need a moon to eclipse the sun or four AD360 or even more.




  
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Aug 23, 2017 06:22 as a reply to  @ mmmfotografie's post |  #923

Thanks for the kind words. I get your point, which is why I prefaced sharing the work with what I had. I'm not trying to knock the sun out entirely - what's the point in doing that? As an academic exercise, it's fine... but in making evocative light it doesn't work (for my tastes).

In the broadest use of "beating the sun" - what are we talking about? High noon sun in the frame on a cloudless day, subject lit with a large, soft source, ISO 100? All specular highlights kept under 250 and ambient light knocked out or more than 3 stops under the strobe? I have to admit if that's the goal, I've never fully tried. But I'm skeptical it can't be done until circumstances force me to try - when that happens I'll bring back photos. This strikes me as making a photo following camera settings instead of following what's available and making the most of it - i.e. if you think only good photos happen at ISO 100, above f/8, and find a light doesn't get you there, and consequently judge it a failure... that's a different approach than what I've moved to.

Mostly an interesting photo is to me about creating a sense of freedom for people to move and putting them in broad region of light that lets them do this - then I work my camera settings and light to meet them there. I'm typically working an exposure that preserves detail in highlights (e.g. foam on seawater, clouds, skin highlights), but keeps them looking reasonably bright, and at the same time employs ambient to keep the environment feeling lit. Working like this I often have to ND my light to make sure it doesn't come off as a second key light (cross shadows) or looking like someone is holding a flashlight to their face - this is "beating the sun" to me. This is why it strikes me as odd when people insist they need 500ws or more to make a good photo when here I am making (reasonably good) photos and having to ND my 300ws source.


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Aug 23, 2017 06:32 |  #924

What your doing works great. You've been able to embrace the ambient and work with it not against it. Most of your images have hard shadows which is fine, it's your style and taste. Some here are trying to create soft shadows in this harsh natural light.

I personally don't see needing more power than the 400ws the two AD200 gives. I moved to the AD200 from the 360 primarily due to space savings and having the twin head w/ modeling lamp option over this not being available on the 360s. ALL of my studio stuff will be using a single AD200 and probably at 1/4 power on the main so these lights are more than powerful enough.

But having the most reserve is beneficial in having lower power settings which leads to less overheat issues and more battery life. You could shoot with a AD600 at 1/64 power and shoot a Looooooong time vs having to shoot a single AD200 at something like what 1/8 for the same power output the AD200 would run out of juice quicker


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Aug 23, 2017 06:48 |  #925

Since the AD200 cannot tap into a 960 battery pack due to the lack of a plug, I suspect Godox could create a battery adapter that slides into the place of the battery today, but has a plug on it that accepts a 960?

That would be neat and possibly not that difficult an accessory to design. Then I could use the 360 battery pack on the AD200 (or both actually using the 2 into 1 cable). It would solve a pretty large deficiency, I think.


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Aug 23, 2017 06:52 |  #926

I was running a battery run-down test (not super technical, just doing a bit of wringing out) popping an AD200 and an AD600 simultaneously at full power.

Unsurprisingly, the beeps of the AD200 started to lag behind the AD600 after maybe a hundred pops. And as well, the fan on the AD600 eventually came on.

At some point I gave them a few minutes rest (loo break), and came back to discover the AD200 had regrouped and was recycling as quickly as the AD600 again for a while. Carbon and lead-acid batteries will do that, but I hadn't noticed it in Li-Ion batteries before (hadn't actually ever checked, though).


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Aug 23, 2017 08:00 |  #927

I don't doubt the ad200 will start to lag behind if used heavily. A few things could be done to help mitigate this. A 360 battery pack could be mounted below the twin head only for the purpose of powering a fan blowing on the units.

Also I wonder if we could adapt a slim bolt on heat sink that wraps around the ad200. I bet this would help tremendously.

I notice the body does get hot especially in full sun. A battery powered fan would help a lot


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Aug 23, 2017 08:03 |  #928

https://www.amazon.com …dpPl=1&dpID=71L​jR%2BIGpUL (external link)


Something like this clamped to the stand under the twin head blowing up at the ad200s I bet would solve a lot of problems. Lasts 2Hrs on a single battery charge.

Any thoughts to this?


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Aug 23, 2017 08:32 |  #929

https://www.amazon.com …D&dpPl=1&dpID=6​1mPs-7EoeL (external link)

This would be even easier since it blows up. Just hang it off the ad200 itself. Cheap enough to be worth a shot.

...for those daring enough to try lol. I won't go into all this unless I run into problems with the lights


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Aug 23, 2017 08:38 |  #930

It would have to be directed right at the parts of the flash that needs it, like bulb, etc. Just having it under the strobes might not be beneficial. No guarantee that the parts that are needing cooled can even get air to them. Defeats the portability factor a bit too. :(


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