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New Canon 85mm f/1.4 IS (yes, IS) Announced.

 
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Sep 01, 2017 19:47 |  #136

MalVeauX wrote in post #18442397 (external link)
I'm betting Canon doesn't produce the F1.2 glass anymore and moves to F1.4 with IS. Same for the 50L when they finally release a new 50mm that isn't ancient and isn't made of plastic.

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I think we only know what's going to happen once this lens releases and has some decent sales. Once that happens, then they'll probably either discontinue the f/1.2L or maybe announce a new one.


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Sep 02, 2017 07:39 |  #137

They keep saying not a replacement but there is no way they will sell many of them since this is still cheaper and has IS and will be no doubt sharper and AF as fast as any other of their fast lenses.

Until then enjoy cheap used 1.2 prices until they finally do stop the production then after 5 years the value of the 1.2 will increase because it will be a "forgotten amazing lens" like the 50 1.0... well... other then they made a TON of the 1.2 lenses.


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Sep 02, 2017 08:32 |  #138

Can't wait for this lens! Once I have it my lineup will be as complete as I could ever wish it to be. Happy days :-)


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Sep 02, 2017 08:44 |  #139

Talley wrote in post #18442712 (external link)
They keep saying not a replacement but there is no way they will sell many of them since this is still cheaper and has IS and will be no doubt sharper and AF as fast as any other of their fast lenses.

Until then enjoy cheap used 1.2 prices until they finally do stop the production then after 5 years the value of the 1.2 will increase because it will be a "forgotten amazing lens" like the 50 1.0... well... other then they made a TON of the 1.2 lenses.

Yea it's amazing to me that the 50L 1.0 has a $4k price tag these days. 1.0 vs 1.2 is hardly noticeable. Just like 1.2 to 1.4. And that trend shows Canon just went slower on each progression of their lens design.

It's only natural to probably end up F1.4 with stabilization and whatever next new gizmo will be added in as the practical need of 1.0 and 1.2 are not there.

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Sep 02, 2017 11:15 |  #140

MalVeauX wrote in post #18442753 (external link)
Yea it's amazing to me that the 50L 1.0 has a $4k price tag these days. 1.0 vs 1.2 is hardly noticeable. Just like 1.2 to 1.4. And that trend shows Canon just went slower on each progression of their lens design.

It's only natural to probably end up F1.4 with stabilization and whatever next new gizmo will be added in as the practical need of 1.0 and 1.2 are not there.

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And the 200/1.8 -> 200/2. Of course, they don't seem to slow down all lenses - the 35/2 became the 35/2 IS, and the 2.8 zooms stayed at 2.8 through their refreshes.

What I have noticed about new lenses compared to old is that, for the most part, they're gravitating towards even F-stops. Not many new lenses that are like 3.5-4.5; they sometimes start at a random aperture but end at 5.6. That means I suspect f/1.4 is where the slowdown will end. A new 50/1.4L IS and 135/2L IS would fit the pattern.


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Sep 02, 2017 13:32 |  #141

It'll take 10 years but I suspect they'll refresh everything with IS. I'm really suprised the 35II didn't come with IS.


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Sep 02, 2017 13:35 |  #142

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I'm really suprised the 35II didn't come with IS.

I'm floored as well that all the MK2 stuff doesn't have IS, including the 24-70 II. I'm truly floored that the 70-200 II has it, but not the 24-70 II. Just seems crazy, when everyone else has it (Nikon too, etc). Let alone the big primes not re-booting with IS, and instead, giving the IS to the entry prime tier only for short primes, and of course giving it to the big sports white lenses. It would make sense if there was sensor based stabilization, but Canon isn't doing that the way others have.

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Sep 02, 2017 13:36 |  #143

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It'll take 10 years but I suspect they'll refresh everything with IS. I'm really suprised the 35II didn't come with IS.

They were saying that 10 years ago too.


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Sep 02, 2017 13:40 |  #144

Maybe it's just me but even through the 24-70 II is my go-to lens, I can't remember a single occasion where I missed having IS on it. Getting to at least 1/FL is trivial with a 6D, at least to me.


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Sep 02, 2017 13:58 |  #145

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Maybe it's just me but even through the 24-70 II is my go-to lens, I can't remember a single occasion where I missed having IS on it. Getting to at least 1/FL is trivial with a 6D, at least to me.

If camera sensor high ISO performance continues to improve, we are surely soon going to get to the point where the case for IS pretty much vanishes for shorter focal lengths.


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Sep 02, 2017 14:05 |  #146

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If camera sensor high ISO performance continues to improve, we are surely soon going to get to the point where the case for IS pretty much vanishes for shorter focal lengths.

or people will be doing handheld 15second exposures:-)...no matter how steady you are IS just allows you to open up more opportunities


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Sep 02, 2017 14:15 |  #147

Scrumhalf wrote in post #18442956 (external link)
Maybe it's just me but even through the 24-70 II is my go-to lens, I can't remember a single occasion where I missed having IS on it. Getting to at least 1/FL is trivial with a 6D, at least to me.

Same here. Maybe it's a situation where if I had it I'd wonder how I ever lived without it, but... right now I'm very happy with what I have.


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Sep 02, 2017 14:19 |  #148

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or people will be doing handheld 15second exposures:-)...no matter how steady you are IS just allows you to open up more opportunities

Sure ... it will open up some new possibilities but if the number of people who are interested enough in those possibilities to pay the extra cash and manage the extra bulk dwindles sufficiently ... they aren't going to be profitable to make.

Who really knows, though? Soon enough mechanical image stabilisation will probably be replaced by electronic IS, I suppose. But there's another can of worms.


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Sep 02, 2017 14:30 |  #149

IS has value even though you have sufficient shutter speed to handhold without. it only takes the slightest movement to take the edge of an excellent image


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Sep 02, 2017 14:35 |  #150

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Sure ... it will open up some new possibilities but if the number of people who are interested enough in those possibilities to pay the extra cash and manage the extra bulk dwindles sufficiently ... they aren't going to be profitable to make.

Who really knows, though? Soon enough mechanical image stabilisation will probably be replaced by electronic IS, I suppose. But there's another can of worms.

i'm not sure if it will really come down to profit or not...mainly just keeping up with other brands...if every other brand starts adding stabilization to lenses canon, or anyone would look a little silly to keep it off theirs...


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