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Sep 24, 2017 01:47 |  #6736

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Exactly what I've been doing mate. I have it in manual but at a high shutter speed and small aperture eg. f11 and 2000sec all I get is a dark screen. I'll reset to factory settings and try again and if I get no joy, I'll take it back

Hi Kev,

I dont know too much about the ins and outs of HSS, but I do believe that output is reduced the further you go away from the normal sync speed...and 1/2000 is a fair way away from 1/180.

So I am thinking that at 1/2000 sec there is not much light coming out and with F11 there is just not enough light getting onto the sensor if you are trying those settings in a dark space light the rain forest.

I am thinking - and happy to be corrected - maybe 1/2000 and F11 would be better to freeze something close by in bright sunlight

Maybe that is the issue?


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Sep 24, 2017 02:54 |  #6737

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Hi Kev,

I dont know too much about the ins and outs of HSS, but I do believe that output is reduced the further you go away from the normal sync speed...and 1/2000 is a fair way away from 1/180.

So I am thinking that at 1/2000 sec there is not much light coming out and with F11 there is just not enough light getting onto the sensor if you are trying those settings in a dark space light the rain forest.

I am thinking - and happy to be corrected - maybe 1/2000 and F11 would be better to freeze something close by in bright sunlight

Maybe that is the issue?

Dunno Graham? It's a powerful flash and the subjects are never more than 5 metres away (you're on top of 'em before you see 'em in the rain forest). I tried it at 1/000 and got the same result. Any slower and there's a chance of ghosting. I notice that Denis's shots were 500 and 640 and they look ok so I'll give that a go


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Sep 24, 2017 03:47 |  #6738

bidkev wrote in post #18459143 (external link)
Dunno Graham? It's a powerful flash and the subjects are never more than 5 metres away (you're on top of 'em before you see 'em in the rain forest). I tried it at 1/000 and got the same result. Any slower and there's a chance of ghosting. I notice that Denis's shots were 500 and 640 and they look ok so I'll give that a go

Hi Kev

That sounds very frustrating.

I just put a 430 EX RT (ETTL II Mode) on the 5D Mk III and noticed the following:

5D Viewfinder: displays the HSS Symbol.
430 EX RT LCD Panel: displays the HSS Symbol.

Do you also get these on the 6D and 580EX?

The 5D Mk III manual has some info when in AV Mode that limits HSS, but you wrote that you were in Manual Mode (i.e. Manual Exposure on the Camera Main Dial – not Manual Flash setting on the Speedlite) so that should not be an issue?

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Sep 24, 2017 10:01 |  #6739

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Hi Kev

That sounds very frustrating.

I just put a 430 EX RT (ETTL II Mode) on the 5D Mk III and noticed the following:

5D Viewfinder: displays the HSS Symbol.
430 EX RT LCD Panel: displays the HSS Symbol.

Do you also get these on the 6D and 580EX?

The 5D Mk III manual has some info when in AV Mode that limits HSS, but you wrote that you were in Manual Mode (i.e. Manual Exposure on the Camera Main Dial – not Manual Flash setting on the Speedlite) so that should not be an issue?

Cheers

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No Dennis. There's very little about HSS on the 6D via google. One article said that if you set HSS on the flash, and also set it on the 6d, then you should get the same symbol through the viewfinder as you do on the flash ie a flash symbol with a H beside it. All i get is the flash symbol.

I'm not a great lover of, and have little knowledge of, (on camera) flash, despite doing a lot of studio work in the past and having my own studio..............on camera never "sailed my boat" and I neglected to learn the new technology, despite having the 580. My simple understanding was, of the new generation of speedlights, (my words) that the flash was as clever as the camera and all you needed to do for a "standard" exposure, one that wasn't a "fill light" or "exposure compensation" etc., was to simply set your camera settings and the flash would read the camera settings, fire, and cut out when it judged the correct exposure for your shutter speed and aperture set. ( my simplification).......​........I know...............I'm a dinosaur..............​.carried the same "brick" mobile phone for 14 yrs and my boys only recently bought me a Samsung, simply because I couldn't find a battery for the Nokia brick and they didn't like the idea of me being out in the mountains alone..............."y​ou need a GPS" they said............."you can send selfies to show you're alright", they said...............the​y didn't show me how though...............j​ust as Canon hasn't shown me how HSS synch works on my camera :lol: The 6D manual simply tells you how to set it on your flash

Despite the above showing my lack of skills/knowledge with a speedlight, I never had a problem, based on my understanding and settings of said speedlight and camera (5Dlll). I simply set my speedlight to HSS, camera to manual with HSS enabled, and no problem. It's only the 6D I'm having a problem with. I've used the same procedure with the 7Dmkll without a problem. Set the 6D to "auto" and I would assume it would read the camera shutter speed with HSS enabled, but no go. If not, then what the feck does it mean by "auto"? It still shows 1/180sec in the viewfinder.

Raised the same issue on the 6D thread and not one reply so I'm guessing that the contributors either don't use HSS and can't answer me, or else they just think that I'm a dickhead:lol:

Thanks for taking the time to try and sort me Dennis.


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Sep 24, 2017 20:39 |  #6741

Getting a lot of vibration, tried re-tightening everything...any tips?

Wind @ 400mm = it just moves around. I have an OLD Arca swiss monoball and gitzo, plus I used my backpack to weigh everything down, so it cannot be the tripod.

I'm thinking gimbal mount from Wimberley is next:






  
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Sep 24, 2017 21:16 as a reply to  @ markesc's post |  #6742

It's possible your head and/or legs aren't rated for the focal length being used. I have a RRS BH40 and Gitzo 2 series fiber legs and they're fine at 200mm but progressively worse as the focal length increases. Every little bit of movement is magnified on longer lenses.




  
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Sep 24, 2017 22:54 as a reply to  @ bidkev's post |  #6743

Hi Kevin

I have recently acquired my first 'Speedlight' - a new Yongnuo YN685. I also have a 6D, and HSS works for me.

My 6D has latest firmware. I have the H with flash symbol displayed on the flash

On the camera, with M selected, I go to 2nd menu group/External Speedlight Control/Flash Function settings. This displays 6 settings boxes, corresponding with 6 different flash settings. Shutter synchronisation is bottom left. When I select it, the options are First curtain, 2nd curtain or HSS (the lightning bolt and H symbol).

I can now see the HSS symbol in the viewfinder, on the lower left between the battery and the shutter speed.

It works as expected, although I haven't tried it in a rainforest yet :).

No doubt this exactly what you've done, and problem may well be your flash, but I thought it worth spelling out the steps, in case anyone else reading this thread has the same problem.

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Sep 24, 2017 23:51 |  #6744

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Hi Kevin

I have recently acquired my first 'Speedlight' - a new Yongnuo YN685. I also have a 6D, and HSS works for me.

My 6D has latest firmware. I have the H with flash symbol displayed on the flash

On the camera, with M selected, I go to 2nd menu group/External Speedlight Control/Flash Function settings. This displays 6 settings boxes, corresponding with 6 different flash settings. Shutter synchronisation is bottom left. When I select it, the options are First curtain, 2nd curtain or HSS (the lightning bolt and H symbol).

I can now see the HSS symbol in the viewfinder, on the lower left between the battery and the shutter speed.

It works as expected, although I haven't tried it in a rainforest yet :).

No doubt this exactly what you've done, and problem may well be your flash, but I thought it worth spelling out the steps, in case anyone else reading this thread has the same problem.

Cheers

Alec


Thanks Alec. Tried those steps before and it didn't work but I've just run through 'em again after reading your advice and cleaning seating and flash terminals and it works. Either the terminals were dirty (doubtful on a new camera and a barely used flash, or more likely, the flash wasn't seated properly. I'm sorted! :-D:-D


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Sep 25, 2017 05:23 |  #6745

That background is Van Gogh-esque. Nice captures all around, Kevin!


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Sep 25, 2017 05:31 |  #6746

Magical work there Kev. Well done.


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Sep 25, 2017 15:36 |  #6747

markesc wrote in post #18459658 (external link)
Getting a lot of vibration, tried re-tightening everything...any tips?

Wind @ 400mm = it just moves around. I have an OLD Arca swiss monoball and gitzo, plus I used my backpack to weigh everything down, so it cannot be the tripod.

I'm thinking gimbal mount from Wimberley is next:



Hard to beat a monoball for rigidity. A Wimberley will have more movement. Not much, but the monoball will have less. Weighing down the tripod does almost nothing for the twisting the wind causes. Hanging weight dampens vibration, not twisting force of the wind. Removing the hood will help.


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Sep 25, 2017 16:14 |  #6748

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Hard to beat a monoball for rigidity. A Wimberley will have more movement. Not much, but the monoball will have less. Weighing down the tripod does almost nothing for the twisting the wind causes. Hanging weight dampens vibration, not twisting force of the wind. Removing the hood will help.

Ugh.... so I took the foot off again, tightened those 4 screws AGAIN, seems back to normal. I think I just need to bite the bullet and get the blu locktite.

As far as the wimberley, I'm hoping for more movement/flexibility as the monoball is hard to move once locked, then unlocked, it takes a lot of force, which is probably putting stress on the lens foot area and the lens mount area each time. Tried taking it apart and cleaning it, but didn't do much to help. I stupidly exposed it to salt water many years ago and it's never been the same!




  
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Sep 25, 2017 16:57 |  #6749

MatthewK wrote in post #18459843 (external link)
That background is Van Gogh-esque. Nice captures all around, Kevin!

Thanks Mathew. Yeah, sometimes that weird bokeh the lens sometimes throws out, works in your favour.


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Sep 25, 2017 17:01 |  #6750

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Magical work there Kev. Well done.

Thanks mate. Hoping to get back up there once the school holidays are over. That's the only grevillea I saw up there and it attracted quite a few honey eaters


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