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Your time over again - Primes or Zooms?

 
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Oct 12, 2017 23:06 |  #1

Your time over again (yes another what if question) you have no lens's at all.

What's going to be on your shopping list primes or zooms or what combination of both?


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Oct 12, 2017 23:08 |  #2

fotoworx wrote in post #18471578 (external link)
Your time over again (yes another what if question) you have no lens's at all.

What's going to be on your shopping list primes or zooms or what combination of both?

Dream gear or within our particular budgets?


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Oct 12, 2017 23:12 |  #3

What do you shoot? Fast primes for people people shots and landscapes outside of beach shooting. I use my zooms very little and have no desire to get rid of them.


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Oct 12, 2017 23:21 |  #4

Hi, no not dream gear.

I'm looking to replace a 16-35, 24-70, 70-200 & 100-400.

Also a 100mm Macro

I used to have a 135mm but although it was a wonderful lens, I didn't use it a whole lot.

I'd be marrying those zooms mentioned onto a 5DMKIV


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Oct 13, 2017 00:35 |  #5

fotoworx wrote in post #18471587 (external link)
Hi, no not dream gear.

I'm looking to replace a 16-35, 24-70, 70-200 & 100-400.

Also a 100mm Macro

I used to have a 135mm but although it was a wonderful lens, I didn't use it a whole lot.

I'd be marrying those zooms mentioned onto a 5DMKIV

Well, you can see my lens list below. I don't have a 24-70 but I do have the 24-105.... for more casual photography. I like the range. I like zoom lenses. I know I can zoom with my feet in theory. Try zooming with your feet when you're backed up against the swamp. ;)

I was going to buy a 135 f/2 but our youngest son talked me into getting the 70-200 f/2.8 IS ll. When I'm out birding, I have my two 1D IV's set up with the 100-400ii and the 70-200. Seems to work pretty well. I only use the 6Dc for landscapes and/or general snapshots, etc.

The only lens I own but hardly use is the little 50 f/1.8 STM. I'm not sure why. It was cheap enough and "everyone needs a 50 mm lens". I'm not so sure about that now.


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Oct 13, 2017 00:49 |  #6

Thanks Phoenix, I don't remember using my 50mm 1.8 very often either.


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Oct 13, 2017 01:47 |  #7

Phoenixkh wrote in post #18471620 (external link)
Well, you can see my lens list below. I don't have a 24-70 but I do have the 24-105.... for more casual photography. I like the range. I like zoom lenses. I know I can zoom with my feet in theory. Try zooming with your feet when you're backed up against the swamp. ;)

I was going to buy a 135 f/2 but our youngest son talked me into getting the 70-200 f/2.8 IS ll. When I'm out birding, I have my two 1D IV's set up with the 100-400ii and the 70-200. Seems to work pretty well. I only use the 6Dc for landscapes and/or general snapshots, etc.

The only lens I own but hardly use is the little 50 f/1.8 STM. I'm not sure why. It was cheap enough and "everyone needs a 50 mm lens". I'm not so sure about that now.

that sentiment should be in relation to FF shooters, where a 50 is a normal focal length, however, if 50 doesnt work

try the 35 f2. That's more of a normal lens, similar FOV to a cell phone.

either way, you may need to force yourself to a focal length for a while before you "discover" it.

I have a really spectacular 35, and it's hard to put it down! The wow factor is generally better than a 24-70 f2.8, but then again, so is my cheap 50. Generally I'll favor the 135 over the 70-200, due to size and aperture.

I will own a 24-70 + 70-200 f2.8 again, simply to have, but I have owned those lenses for years and their use is incredibly limited for me. I'm not a pro event shooter that needs to produce high volume, the primes have more to do with Quality over quantity.


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Oct 13, 2017 04:21 |  #8

same as existing really, 16-35mm, 24-70mm, 70-200mm F2.8 IS, 100-400mm & a 300mm F2.8 IS


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Oct 13, 2017 06:59 |  #9

I am a gear junkie. I buy/sell lots of used stuff just to try it out. I find that cheaper than renting. I've sold several lenses only to re-purchase them later. I thought the easiest way to answer this question would be to list my gear and make some comments about each.

Rokinon 12mm FE. Wonderful lens. Nice projection. Replaced with Σ12-24II. For sale.
EF 28mm f/1.8. Wish I could afford a 24 Art. Don't use primes enough to bother.
EF 35mm f/2 IS. Favorite, most-used prime on full frame.
EF 50mm STM. It was cheap. Hardly used. Gets more time on aps-c. For sale.
EF 85mm f/1.8. One of the best bargains in Canon gear. On second copy.
EF 100mm macro. On second copy. I have bursts of macro interest.
EF 135L. On second copy. Love this lens. 2nd most-used prime.
EF 200L II. On second copy. Dirt cheap for f/2.8 200mm. Small, black.
Sigma 12-24 II. Satisfies my wide side. Excellent at f/5.6 and smaller. 1/3 the cost of the Art.
EF 17-40. Good enough for me. For sale. Little use.
EF 24-105 STM. Wonderful lens. For sale. General purpose shooter is now 80D/18-135 USM.
EF 70-200 f/4L IS USM. Should have bought this the first time. Don't care for the size/weight of f/2.8
EF 100-400Lc. Should have bought the 300 f/4L IS + 1.4X II, instead.

Of the bunch, I'd buy them all again except the 17-40 (no need), and 100-400 (always at 400).

I'm about done experimenting with aps-c lenses. So far I have:
18-55 STM. Nice lens. IQ belies its cost. Best $75 optics I've ever owned. For sale.
Tokina 11-20 f/2.8. Main reason I am selling the 17-40.
Tamron 17-50 non-VC. Nice enough. Fast enough.
18-135 USM (not STM). Optics are excellent. Nano-USM is wonderfully fast and accurate. If you shoot apsc, you need this lens.


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Oct 13, 2017 08:36 |  #10

fotoworx wrote in post #18471578 (external link)
Your time over again (yes another what if question) you have no lens's at all.

What's going to be on your shopping list primes or zooms or what combination of both?

Both.

There's no real wide prime that I care about at this point.
There's only 1 or 2 medium-telephoto primes I care about and I'd probably be fine with a zoom there these days since they're finally sharp wide open.
Zooms are fine on the really long telephoto end, as the long fast primes are still affordable that are not 30 years old. So, zoom there.

I'd still mix both.

It would probably be something like:

16-35 F4L IS
35mm F2 IS or a 24mm F1.4 manual lens (but could be replaced with a 24-70 F2.8 VC)
85 F1.4L IS or 135 F2L (Can't really replace this yet, so a prime still fits in)
90mm F2.8 VC (or equivalent) Macro (macros are primes basically, real ones anyways, so still need a prime there)
300mm F4L IS (would love a F2.8L IS II but that's unaffordable) (Fast telephotos longer than 200mm are basically primes, except a few super costly ones, so again, prime stays)
150-600 F6.3 VC (because I'll probably never pony up on a 500 F4L or longer, also unaffordable) (these days a zoom is the cheap option, primes are just so costly here)

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Oct 13, 2017 09:15 |  #11

I'm looking at buying a Canon 100-400mm f4-5.6L lens as a Christmas present. :)




  
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Oct 13, 2017 09:16 |  #12

I like primes for "normal"-ish focal lengths - I have a 35/2 IS that I love. 24-70s don't have much appeal to me.

I have a 100L, and it's being replaced with a 70-200 2.8 II; for the kind of events I shoot with it, the 200 2.8 would just get in the way - and it also doesn't have IS.


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Oct 13, 2017 09:42 |  #13

Different applications, different things. Which also change over time.

There was a time (as in years) where I all I wanted/needed was a 100 mm macro for 99% of what I did (herpetology in the rainforest). Then I was doing nothing but travel and macro, and could make do with a 16-35 f/2.8, 70-200 f/4 IS, and the 100 mm macro. Then I started doing landscapes, and could not live without my Zeiss 21 mm f/2.8. Then I started a family, and realized what a great range the 24-70 was. And so on.

Today, I currently do landscapes, wildlife, macro, family/travel. And I currently have, and love: Zeiss 21mm, EF 24-70 f/2.8 II, EF 100-400 II, and the 100mm macro. If I had to start from scratch but sticking to today's budget, well, then, I think I would buy the exact same set of lenses that I have today! I consider all of them excellent for my use. If I had a "dream" budget however, I would probably add the: EF 35 f/1.4 L II, and replace the 100-400 II with an EF 600 f/4 and a 70-200 f/2.8.

Of course, all this is considering lenses only.

If I had to start completely from scratch today, then I almost certainly would begin with a Sony A7RII (or maybe a Nikon D850) and take it from there ... ;)


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Oct 13, 2017 09:57 |  #14

jeetsukumaran wrote in post #18471839 (external link)
Different applications, different things. Which also change over time.

There was a time (as in years) where I all I wanted/needed was a 100 mm macro for 99% of what I did (herpetology in the rainforest). Then I was doing nothing but travel and macro, and could make do with a 16-35 f/2.8, 70-200 f/4 IS, and the 100 mm macro. Then I started doing landscapes, and could not live without my Zeiss 21 mm f/2.8. Then I started a family, and realized what a great range the 24-70 was. And so on.

Today, I currently do landscapes, wildlife, macro, family/travel. And I currently have, and love: Zeiss 21mm, EF 24-70 f/2.8 II, EF 100-400 II, and the 100mm macro. If I had to start from scratch but sticking to today's budget, well, then, I think I would buy the exact same set of lenses that I have today! I consider all of them excellent for my use. If I had a "dream" budget however, I would probably add the: EF 35 f/1.4 L, and replace the 100-400 II with an EF 600 f/4 and a 70-200 f/2.8.

Of course, all this is considering lenses only.

If I had to start completely from scratch today, then I almost certainly would begin with a Sony A7RII and take it from there ... ;)

there's something to be said about having a small prime vs a 24-70 f2.8. I've been shooting both for a good decade, and that includes the latest 24-70ii for about 3 years or so.

The issue I have most is the size starts being a major chore when I'm already juggling a few kids around. Some folks have shoulders built like tanks and can weather the storm, but if I'm uncomfortable, it stays home. Imagine a full day drip to legoland with 4 kids, a 24-70f2.8 and 135L.... I've done that before! Everything aches by end of day.

a small 35 + 85 or simply 35 alone would be so much easier to carry around. You could neck strap it the entire day, it's that light. With bigger setups, you need better carrying solutions.


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Oct 13, 2017 10:07 |  #15

Charlie wrote in post #18471848 (external link)
there's something to be said about having a small prime vs a 24-70 f2.8. I've been shooting both for a good decade, and that includes the latest 24-70ii for about 3 years or so.

The issue I have most is the size starts being a major chore when I'm already juggling a few kids around. Some folks have shoulders built like tanks and can weather the storm, but if I'm uncomfortable, it stays home. Imagine a full day drip to legoland with 4 kids, a 24-70f2.8 and 135L.... I've done that before! Everything aches by end of day.

a small 35 + 85 or simply 35 alone would be so much easier to carry around. You could neck strap it the entire day, it's that light. With bigger setups, you need better carrying solutions.

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