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Oct 15, 2017 23:22 |  #46

I have the old Sigma as well and like it a lot. I pretty much shoot at f2 (because of the DOF I want) and sharpness seems good at that aperture, rendition/bokeh is great for what I've used it for, but it can show some CA. But also no IS which I would really like. I just got the Tamron 45 1.8VC and like it a lot so considering I don't really need 1.4 I think I'm going to go for the Tamron. VC + decent sharpness and good bokeh and although my old Sig AF is OK on the 5DIII, it is not stellar in the accuracy/consistency department. At least not as good as I would ideally like.

Also not a lens I use all that often, I would rather be saving/looking at a 135 f2 IS. If Tamron does a deal like they did recently on the 45 and 35 ($200 instant rebate) I'll probably jump on it.

I think the AF and IQ on both he Tamron and Sigma 85's is such that the Canon seems quite overpriced, even for a 1.4 with IS. But maybe it is actually really amazing IQ and the Bokeh examples are not representative of the lens. Either way I can easily live with f1.8 for 1/2 the price - or less.


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Oct 16, 2017 01:38 |  #47

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There's certain locations and times where the 85mm 1.2 L's focusing doesn't seem to be the right tool in the drawer. But it's stellar when I choose to use it.

Here's a test shot from today. Another photographer in a nearby park. He moved after I focused. But I wanted to share this to show the bokeh of Tamron's 85mm 1.8 VC. This photo is completely as-is aside from cropping and resize to 1100 pixels wide. No change to color, brightness, etc..

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The main thing that had always detoured me from getting the 85 1.2 was the price as here in Aus it is real expensive. The price of the 85 IS appears to be pretty high here too but if I can get a decent price for my Sigma I may be able to save a bit that way. Sometimes it's best to get the lenses in a period when they are least popular.

I know with me 35mm f/2 IS it dropped a few hundred from the launch price which is when I bought it, then I seen it get more popular and the price went back up so I'm glad I bought it when I did.

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I have the old Sigma as well and like it a lot. I pretty much shoot at f2 (because of the DOF I want) and sharpness seems good at that aperture, rendition/bokeh is great for what I've used it for, but it can show some CA. But also no IS which I would really like. I just got the Tamron 45 1.8VC and like it a lot so considering I don't really need 1.4 I think I'm going to go for the Tamron. VC + decent sharpness and good bokeh and although my old Sig AF is OK on the 5DIII, it is not stellar in the accuracy/consistency department. At least not as good as I would ideally like.

Also not a lens I use all that often, I would rather be saving/looking at a 135 f2 IS. If Tamron does a deal like they did recently on the 45 and 35 ($200 instant rebate) I'll probably jump on it.

I think the AF and IQ on both he Tamron and Sigma 85's is such that the Canon seems quite overpriced, even for a 1.4 with IS. But maybe it is actually really amazing IQ and the Bokeh examples are not representative of the lens. Either way I can easily live with f1.8 for 1/2 the price - or less.

If you're shooting at f/2 and already have the Tamron I wouldn't see a need to upgrade either if I was you.

I'm not sure exactly what it is that appeals to me about the 85 IS as the AF is already spot on when using my Sigma on the 6DII and sharpness is really impressive too. I think with the EX series of lenses, they were a lot sharper than they were credited for but due to their AF issues most people's copies never showed their true potential. I have a self enforced rule that I will never buy a Sigma lens online and will always test in store before buying.


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Oct 16, 2017 16:34 |  #48

The bokeh is very disappointing. My Sigma 85 1.4 Art/135 1.8 Art totally annihilate this. I shoot weddings and I rarely have the need to use slower shutter 1/50 for people especially when camera are capable of clean high ISO nowaday.




  
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Oct 16, 2017 16:54 |  #49

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The bokeh is very disappointing. My Sigma 85 1.4 Art/135 1.8 Art totally annihilate this. I shoot weddings and I rarely have the need to use slower shutter 1/50 for people especially when camera are capable of clean high ISO nowaday.

Exactly... I'm always at 1/125-1/160 with my 85 so I doubt I would ever swap.


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Oct 17, 2017 08:36 |  #50

found this video from Adorama about the new 85L

Lots of pics

so the images posted so far dont give in enough justice. Looks pretty decent from what I can see in this video. looks like Canon is going to push the IS as a selling point because No One else has it except tamron


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Oct 17, 2017 08:49 |  #51

level5photog wrote in post #18474215 (external link)
The bokeh is very disappointing. My Sigma 85 1.4 Art/135 1.8 Art totally annihilate this. I shoot weddings and I rarely have the need to use slower shutter 1/50 for people especially when camera are capable of clean high ISO nowaday.

I'm familiar with the new Sigma. it's good enough to take a market share and it's an excellent lens. But it's not exceptional enough to annihilate anything anything yet. It's basically good enough to be what a good lens should be.

What umphotography recently posted is along the lines of what I suspected, that a few samples we've seen of the upcoming Canon 50mm 1.4 IS don't clarify it's nature yet.


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Oct 17, 2017 08:58 |  #52

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I'm familiar with the new Sigma. it's good enough to take a market share and it's an excellent lens. But it's not exceptional enough to annihilate anything anything yet. It's basically good enough to be what a good lens should be.

You really just don't get the hang of how to play SoSiCaNikon Top Trumps at all, do you??? ;-)a


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Oct 17, 2017 09:00 |  #53

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You really just don't get the hang of how to play SoSiCaNikon [I][B]Top Trumps[\i][\b] at all, do you???


That makes little sense, but its apparent you don't have the "hang" of using the forum writing tools yet ... lol ... now back on topic >>>

umphotography wrote in post #18474659 (external link)
found this video from Adorama about the new 85L

Lots of pics

so the images posted so far dont give in enough justice. Looks pretty decent from what I can see in this video. looks like Canon is going to push the IS as a selling point because No One else has it except tamron


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The Canon Asia youtube has some decent examples too.

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Oct 17, 2017 09:16 as a reply to  @ mdvaden's post |  #54

Oh well ... maybe you enjoy Top Trumps after all ... I thought we were on the same page tbh .

I was referring to the whole attitude that 'my' lens/camera must annihilate or destroy whatever someone on the the great interwebs has decided is going to be the current whipping boy.

Applying playground terminology and thinking ('Top Trumps') to the review and comparison of camera equipment is just not very helpful. Posters who aren't able to see beyond the kit they are already invested in themselves and endlessly need to sing its praises and deride all alternatives add nothing of value to the discussion ... and there are a lot of them, unfortunately.


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Oct 17, 2017 09:38 |  #55

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Oh well ... maybe you enjoy Top Trumps after all ... I thought we were on the same page tbh .

I was referring to the whole attitude that 'my' lens/camera must annihilate or destroy whatever someone on the the great interwebs has decided is going to be the current whipping boy.

Applying playground terminology and thinking ('Top Trumps') to the review and comparison of camera equipment is just not very helpful. Posters who aren't able to see beyond the kit they are already invested in themselves and endlessly need to sing its praises and deride all alternatives add nothing of value to the discussion ... and there are a lot of them, unfortunately.

Oh .. well that makes sense explained that way.


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Oct 17, 2017 09:51 |  #56

mdvaden wrote in post #18474685 (external link)
Oh .. well that makes sense explained that way.

Glad we have cleared that up! :-)

A gallery of decent still images taken by a good photographer using the 85L f/1.4 IS would be nice. I haven't seen anything of that sort yet ... just YouTube compilations. I hope it turns out to be a good addition to the line-up ... although I won't be an early adopter, I think.


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Oct 17, 2017 13:03 |  #57

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Exactly... I'm always at 1/125-1/160 with my 85 so I doubt I would ever swap.

I shoot 1/160 min when using 85/135 Art. 1/50 is ONLY when I use my 24-70 and I'm at already ISO 3200-4000 AND I can't use off camera flash. Those IF scenarios are very rare.

IBIS + IS where I can handhold 1 seconds for landscape shots @ 15mm would intrigue me more.




  
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Oct 17, 2017 13:06 |  #58

mdvaden wrote in post #18474674 (external link)
That makes little sense, but its apparent you don't have the "hang" of using the forum writing tools yet ... lol ... now back on topic >>>

The Canon Asia youtube has some decent examples too.


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These are better examples but nothing that WoW me.




  
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Oct 17, 2017 15:13 |  #59

level5photog wrote in post #18474811 (external link)
These are better examples but nothing that WoW me.

I guess that’s why Canon is not calling it a replacement of 85 1.2. I don’t care about IS for photos in this FL but it is immensely useful for video. Canon’s newer IS system is superb for video, e.g. 35 f2 IS, 70-300 ii. Although with 1.74x on 5div, 85mm is a little too long for my taste but doable. It’s not like we’ll have 50mm 1.4 IS anytime soon.




  
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Oct 17, 2017 19:48 |  #60

best case scenario is a 85 1.2 III where it's CA free and added sharpness. That would be a good replacement and ensure the 1.2 in it's lineup.


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