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Oct 24, 2017 10:33 |  #61

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Yes, many but not all LR edits can be transferred from the LR catalog to Capture One. "Capture One Pro will import key metadata like Rating, Color Label, Keywords and IPTC data and some basic image editing like White Balance, Exposure and Saturation."

https://blog.phaseone.​com …h-C1&utm_content=faceboo​k (external link)

Someone really needs to develop a product that can import it all. You mentioned WordPerfect and Lotus 123 losing their dominance. It's largely because Microsoft made it as easy as possible to move to Word and Excel.




  
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Oct 24, 2017 10:36 |  #62

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Someone really needs to develop a product that can import it all. You mentioned WordPerfect and Lotus 123 losing their dominance. It's largely because Microsoft made it as easy as possible to move to Word and Excel.


The problem as I understand it is the math behinds the scenes can be very different between the various programs to the point that sliders of the same name may do things radically different or not necessarily have the same meaning.


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Oct 24, 2017 10:49 |  #63

Interesting comment on someone who has been using it for a few months now

"Lightroom CC expects a future without the DSLR and with a modern workflow. It doesn’t account for HFR shoots unless you have unlimited bandwidth."

As I and others have been saying...it also apparently doesn't account for capped internet plans...


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Oct 24, 2017 10:53 |  #64

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Interesting comment on someone who has been using it for a few months now

"Lightroom CC expects a future without the DSLR and with a modern workflow. It doesn’t account for HFR shoots unless you have unlimited bandwidth."

As I and others have been saying...it also apparently doesn't account for capped internet plans...

So they're pulling an Apple and walking away from professionals and advanced hobbyists.




  
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Oct 24, 2017 13:28 |  #65

Capture One was created for professional by professionals.
The first versions only worked with MF digital backs.

When LR came out, it was priced very competitively, so low there was no reason NOT to give it a try. They saw how fast that worked for Rawshooter (it was free the first year)

So now they have you hooked. Like a crack dealer :)


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Oct 24, 2017 13:32 |  #66

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...I really don't think you've been paying attention to the direction Adobe's revenue stream has been heading.

https://petapixel.com …nearly-2-billion-quarter/ (external link)

Adobe has already "lost most of you guys." It was a blip. Look where revenue was in 2011, just before creative cloud was launched, look what happened in 2013 when they went most of their product line went cloud only. Revenue from perpetual-licence lightroom would only be a fraction of the revenue pre-2011. Look at the revenue now. How much of a "big portion" of the revenue stream do you really think Adobe are going to loose?

You are correct of course. It doesn't surprise me at all, subscriptions are money generators. We know the same thing in performing arts with ticket subscriptions, magazines always relied on them over newstand sales, etc.

In no way do I think this is a loss for Adobe,. but that doesn't change the fact that I don't like the model, and won't be part of it. The whole industry of computers, phones etc, are growing more and more geared towards "you pay us for a "product" that we will use as we see fit" and that will never rest easy with me.


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Oct 24, 2017 13:36 |  #67

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Knowing the Adobe model of continually charging for updates and future cloud charges, I never got invested. I made my own cataloging system and used DPP.

I gave up on LR cataloging system long ago and have used my own. It free, easy, and totally transportable even from system to system. Lately I have also been using DPP a lot more as they have really improved in DPP4. Do all my raw work in DPP and transfer to PS to finish things up.


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Oct 24, 2017 14:20 |  #68

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Do all my raw work in DPP and transfer to PS to finish things up.

Same here, except for finishing in PhotoLine instead of PS. It also runs PS plugins, which are often the main reason for the external finishing phase.

Thus I can freely assemble and use my favorite tools for all critical operations, from raw conversion (DPP) to sharpening (FocalBlade plugin) and NR (Noiseware standalone).

Not so convenient with high volume, I'm afraid. -?




  
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Oct 24, 2017 17:33 |  #69

I am using the new LR with my recent senior session, and I actually really like both. The CC version automatically loaded my edits onto my iPad. From there I am able to easily text, email, save and export photos to other Apps.

I doubt I’ll do very much editting on my iPad, but it’s nice to be able to show what a photo could look like with a few edits, and then have that edited photo available when I get home.

I know there are other ways of accomplishing the same things, but for $10 a month you have access to the industry standard software programs, it’s not a bad deal..just my opinion.


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Oct 24, 2017 18:46 |  #70

So I just booted up my computer and the Adobe management software told me I had an update for "Adobe Lightroom Classic CC". I've got the standalone LR6 and I thought it was being renamed to "Classic" so I downloaded and installed it through the CC software.

It freaking uninstalled my LR6 standalone and installed a subscription based version?!!??! I just logged into my adobe account and had to dig relatively deep to find my serial number and an installer for LR6 standalone.

Did anyone else run into this problem? Did they really just trick me into downloading and overwriting my old installation? This is crazy...




  
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Oct 24, 2017 18:52 |  #71

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Did they really just trick me into downloading and overwriting my old installation?

Sounds like it. Much like when Microsoft was pushing Win10 onto everyone, they'll pretty much stop at nothing to meet their goal.




  
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Oct 25, 2017 04:30 |  #72

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So I just booted up my computer and the Adobe management software told me I had an update for "Adobe Lightroom Classic CC". I've got the standalone LR6 and I thought it was being renamed to "Classic" so I downloaded and installed it through the CC software.

It freaking uninstalled my LR6 standalone and installed a subscription based version?!!??! I just logged into my adobe account and had to dig relatively deep to find my serial number and an installer for LR6 standalone.

Did anyone else run into this problem? Did they really just trick me into downloading and overwriting my old installation? This is crazy...


You didn't read the instructions in the installer then, since it very clearly stated that the default installation would remove the existing version of Lr. There was also a checkbox that you could use to tell it to keep the existing install. Most software will remove the old version when you do an upgrade, and often doesn't include an option to keep the old version. Adobe are actually quite unusual in allowing you to have multiple versions of the same program running on your system. Oh and the installer for Lr Classic CC also makes clear that you will need to migrate your catalogue to the new format. Personally I would have thought that the name Lightroom Classic CC was part of the cloud offering, they have been using it for I think as long as Lr 6 has been available.

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Oct 25, 2017 12:19 as a reply to  @ mike_d's post |  #73

No, from what I read, its more of mirror less cameras and cell phones...that is the direction Adobe sees the market heading towards


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Oct 25, 2017 12:31 as a reply to  @ Smitty2k1's post |  #74

Yep, exactly the same problem, though it did fix the issue (on re-install) where an update disabled LR from starting up in the import mode when I inserted a SD card, so that was a plus..;-)a

Then there is this

Adobe Admits Lightroom is Slow, Says Speeding It Up Is Top Priority

https://petapixel.com …ys-speeding-top-priority/ (external link)

I think that was a lie when they uttered it, you cannot tell me that this push to the subscription model decision happened in the last few months...sorry, I'm betting that was part of the plan from the get go...just the timing has to be worked out..

And lets face it, NOT fixing the issue at this point is more reason for folks to go to the cloud version (or to a competitor), what do they gain..?, they are not going to expend $$ to solve the problem they themselves created, when its a dead end path..!

https://petapixel.com …illing-lightroom-classic/ (external link)

We shall see how soon they have to backtrack on this statement...


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Oct 25, 2017 12:43 |  #75

digirebelva wrote in post #18480800 (external link)
https://petapixel.com …illing-lightroom-classic/ (external link)

We shall see how soon they have to backtrack on this statement...

"Some photographers may be a bit wary of this promise, since Hogarty had said in a similar FAQ back in 2013 that Adobe would continue offering standalone versions of Lightroom “indefinitely” — this week Adobe announced that Lightroom 6 would be the final non-subscription version of the app (Adobe tells us that “plans have changed based on customer feedback”)."

How many photographers told Adobe they wanted to spend twice as much per year on the same product?




  
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