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POLL: "Pro Sports Shooters: RAW or JPEG?"
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Pro Sports Shooters: RAW or JPEG?

 
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Aug 18, 2017 05:01 |  #136

Allow me to offer my input. I think that if you have the space and the correct flow, then shooting in RAW is definitely advantageous. That being said, as I have a 40D, my RAW files are smaller than JPEG on my 6D. I often shoot 300-600+ images of BMX racing on a weekend, but I have created my own preset that works for me and my style. So I can get home, select a hundred or so images in LR and apply my own preset, then I MAY have to tweak one or two images individually thereafter, then they are ready. Often my 2 biggest bottlenecks are my download to "Computer" and the export and upload to Social Media, sometimes these two processes take longer than the editing and selecting process. IF you decide that you might want to work on an image in detail later, then having it in RAW is beneficial, otherwise JPEG is more than adequate.


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Aug 18, 2017 05:19 |  #137

darynv wrote in post #18430681 (external link)
Allow me to offer my input. I think that if you have the space and the correct flow, then shooting in RAW is definitely advantageous. That being said, as I have a 40D, my RAW files are smaller than JPEG on my 6D. I often shoot 300-600+ images of BMX racing on a weekend, but I have created my own preset that works for me and my style. So I can get home, select a hundred or so images in LR and apply my own preset, then I MAY have to tweak one or two images individually thereafter, then they are ready. Often my 2 biggest bottlenecks are my download to "Computer" and the export and upload to Social Media, sometimes these two processes take longer than the editing and selecting process. IF you decide that you might want to work on an image in detail later, then having it in RAW is beneficial, otherwise JPEG is more than adequate.

A big part of this is what model of Canon you have. The JPG engine in the 40D is the old-school more inferior engine over the newer bodies. As of the SL1/70D/5D3, I believe, the new JPG engine was introduced, creating much crisper higher quality JPG results. These are almost to the point that there is limited improvements you can make in the raw and convert afterwards to get a better result.

I would never take the JPG from older bodies like the 7D and 5D2, etc, the raw through a processor to a TIFF/JPG was always better. This is no longer the case with the newer models.

In summary, an out of camera JPG is not always equal across models, so the answer depends a bit on model #.

A poll with 2 answers per model would be interesting, where people could vote across many items with their history with those bodies. :)


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Oct 24, 2017 23:44 |  #138

Sometimes the "choice" is actually beyond simple...I shoot whatever format the senior editor asks me to shoot. More often than not, its jpeg since they won't even consider a marginal image in terms of focus or exposure so you have to get the jpegs right in camera and little to no editing is often done (depending on usage) once it hits the desk. They may crop or do a small levels adjustment but if the image needs more, it never had a chance in the first place. I believe that's why they typically want jpegs. The only time I was asked for RAW was doing headshots of on air talent where the images might be used down the road for something.


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Nov 23, 2017 09:40 |  #139

I shoot many different sports, inside and outside. A recent boxing match I was maxing my equipment out at iso 51200 f2.8 and managing a 640 shutter.....

always JPG

cant see any advantage to raw unless A) your going to take time making it all arty or B) you think your pictures arn't going to be good enough and use it as a crutch...

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Nov 23, 2017 11:35 |  #140

KIPAX wrote in post #18502615 (external link)
I shoot many different sports, inside and outside. A recent boxing match I was maxing my equipment out at iso 51200 f2.8 and managing a 640 shutter.....

always JPG

cant see any advantage to raw unless A) your going to take time making it all arty or B) you think your pictures arn't going to be good enough and use it as a crutch...

IMHO :)

You do realize the raw has much more capability than the in camera jPeg engine. There is more DR range, better shadow and highlight recovery, etc. Also there are better jPeg generators out there than what canon packed in many of its bodies. Has nothing to do with making images arty, or because you need a crutch.

Those are things people usually say when they don't know what the raw can do for them.


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Nov 23, 2017 13:02 |  #141

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18502707 (external link)
...there are better jPeg generators out there than what canon packed in many of its bodies.

The JPGs out of a 1D X Mk II are phenomenal. Thankfully, they definitely got it right with that camera.


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Nov 23, 2017 15:29 as a reply to  @ pat.kane's post |  #142

Yes canon updated the generator some time back, and also improved their NR algorithm. However, you still can get a better result by modifying the raw sometimes, but the gap is less these days, fortunately. It is a big time savings!


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Nov 23, 2017 16:37 |  #143

pat.kane wrote in post #18502770 (external link)
The JPGs out of a 1D X Mk II are phenomenal. Thankfully, they definitely got it right with that camera.

Yes I ahve a 1dxII the JPGs are great and for sports when your shooting thousands of pictures a week.. theres not much i can do with a raw thats going to be better than jpg for the hundreds of pictures I put online every week.. YES I AGREE RAW is more powerful .. But the diference its going to make isnt enough to be working on so many pics..and the question was for people who shoot a lot of sports a week :)

this is out the box iso 51200 . the pic for sale and a 100% crop JPG no resize no nothing.. how much work to make it better as raw.. and I would never batch fix.. whats the point of raw you can batch fix in jpg


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Nov 28, 2017 21:59 |  #144

Shoot both! RAW for the client and JPEG for the wire.


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Dec 04, 2017 12:47 |  #145

Wow, I remember this thread. In fact I'm having a pretty good chuckle re-reading it.

7 years later, and I'm of the same mind set as I was when this debate started.

Yesterday in fact I spent the better part of 8 hours shooting a Brazilian Jiu-jitsu tournament. I took a little over 1000 shots, which was about half of what I'd take shooting something like boxing. Anyhow, same as before, jpeg for me. Everything fits on one card, and taken correctly, no RAW format needed. RAW would've only slowed me down, and frankly, would be worthless to the promoter who hired me. He gets every shot taken, and if he has specific requests for shots to be manipulated, cool- but highly unlikely.

I will even go so far as to say that if, *IF* RAW made my work better by any discernible measure, I'd actually be pissed off because the money in the industry of Combat Sports doesn't get better because the pictures do, and there's only a few ways to make money at it- get hired, sell shots directly to the athletes, or have something REALLY special that makes a magazine take notice and want to pay for your work. I only work for hire now, and that's to take marketable shots. That means whatever is on my card has to be good enough when I take it sans pixel manipulation.


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Dec 04, 2017 14:13 |  #146

I would think that those that are more casual about their photos or shoot less will probably shoot raw. The higher the volume and greater the speed by which the media outlet needs the files, or you want to maximize revenue by getting photos out quickly, the higher possibility you will shoot JPG (or both). The latter is what I align with these days.

Straight JPG with just a quick bulk clean up action thrown against everything in the folder. No need for raw, even at these high ISOs.

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Apr 07, 2018 08:41 |  #147

Well, I hate to disappoint, but having read all 10 pages I'm going to change my mind*.

I've always used JPG, for buffer, transfer speed, and computer storage. Of course I always nailed the exposure so it wasn't a problem...

...except when I didn't...

Having recently acquired a 5D Mark IV as a "day-to-day" camera, I didn't have the luxury of 2 CF cards, so I purchased a 128GB card to permit Raw & JPG - this camera isn't needed as the "speed demon", as I have the 1DX as primary.

At a recent (outdoor) Athletics event, I nailed the exposure (M) for the early morning sun and was very happy with the results, until I realised that I could get more variation, and shots from multiple events, at the other end of the track. Before I had time to settle in, one of the races started and I fired off some shots of my favourite runner. Whoops.

The camera preview showed that I was about 2 stops out, so during the subsequent processing (Aperture, which doesn't support the 5D4 Raw files) I tried to adjust the (JPG) curves to recover the image. Absolutely no chance. I'm not any kind of expert at PP, but the results were horrible, and unacceptable.

I reviewed the same image in DPP (4), and despite not knowing how the software works, had a usable image within seconds.

I am converted! I will use Raw all the time
...except of course when I need 12fps, don't have space on my computer or CF cards, or time to transfer 70 MB images.

In truth, I've seen the light and will carefully consider either option (or both) each time I shoot somewhere new. While this might be a change of direction, I think it highlights the need to reconsider options as technology changes. Cheaper CF cards, Raw + JPG options, larger buffers, better low ISO and increased fps all help me achieve a level of performance that was previously only available with JPG on an older body.


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Apr 07, 2018 08:57 as a reply to  @ awair's post |  #148

Yes, always shoot both raw and jpg, use the jpg when possible, go back to the raw file when exposures were off. That is how I shoot each event. If you shoot consistent scenes, you should rarely need the raw, as you found out. I think I went back to raw files maybe about 15 times this entire NBA season.


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Apr 16, 2018 10:30 |  #149

Only ever shoot RAW. Can't really see the point of having two sets of the same image to sort through when I can just press a button to spit out a JPEG.

I have LR set up to apply a preset on import that takes care of the editing, so all I normally do is crop. (I actually have a couple to cope and select the right one for the lighting conditions) I do probably do more editing than a lot of other togs here because unfortunately the light here in HK is often very harsh (causing deep shadows) so I sometimes have to use a preset that copes with that and an adjustment brush to lift faces that are heavily shadowed. Another reason for me to shoot RAW is that, during the off season, I often post images from the archive to social media and will re-process them as black and white or some other creative colour processing.

Storage isn't an issue for me. I have plenty of cards and terrabytes of storage on my NAS.


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