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Oct 27, 2017 09:43 |  #5071

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Happy to join the 5D4 owners club!! Just ordered a refurb as part of the Halloween sale! $2379 is not bad!

What is the latest in terms of cards for this camera? Any good deals or particular models/speed I should go for?

Thanks!

Patience is a virtue,. paid about that much for my 5D3 refurb as I was willing to wait. Somehow the 5D4 I just couldn't wait for, and I paid full retail. first time for everything!

As for cards, no idea on the latest, I have been using mostly 32GB Sandisk Ultra.

I understand that the right (ie: the very fastest) SD card is required for 4K to SD. But it's only with 4K to SD that this is required.


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Oct 27, 2017 11:40 |  #5072

I shoot weddings primarily, and run around all day with a 5D III in one hand and the IV in the other. There's a lot of things I love about my 5D IV, but I repeatedly find myself reaching for the III as my "primary" camera throughout the day. I just get sharper shots from the III with both my 70-200 and my 135L. Not sure if I just need to MFA or what...but it's frustrating as I really want to use it throughout the day because of much better noise/banding performance in the shadows at low ISO.

With working full time + shooting weddings and other sessions + a 6-month old I just haven't had time to investigate....this winter shoudl provide me a little time once I'm done editing!




  
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Oct 27, 2017 12:04 |  #5073

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18482226 (external link)
Patience is a virtue,. paid about that much for my 5D3 refurb as I was willing to wait. Somehow the 5D4 I just couldn't wait for, and I paid full retail. first time for everything!

As for cards, no idea on the latest, I have been using mostly 32GB Sandisk Ultra.

I understand that the right (ie: the very fastest) SD card is required for 4K to SD. But it's only with 4K to SD that this is required.

Thanks, Jake! I don't really shoot much video, so I'm just going to use some of the existing cards I have for my 6D and see if a good deal pops up for a fast card around T'Giving or the holiday season.

I still need to received the camera though. The refurb store removed the 5D4 from the 15% off sale pretty quickly, so I won't celebrate until I have a tracking number from them!


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Oct 27, 2017 12:52 |  #5074

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I shoot weddings primarily, and run around all day with a 5D III in one hand and the IV in the other. There's a lot of things I love about my 5D IV, but I repeatedly find myself reaching for the III as my "primary" camera throughout the day. I just get sharper shots from the III with both my 70-200 and my 135L. Not sure if I just need to MFA or what...but it's frustrating as I really want to use it throughout the day because of much better noise/banding performance in the shadows at low ISO.

With working full time + shooting weddings and other sessions + a 6-month old I just haven't had time to investigate....this winter shoudl provide me a little time once I'm done editing!


I'm curious if you're having less sharp shots because you're not compensating your SS for having 40% more MP. I know that when I picked up the 7d2, I could not shoot the 135L under 1/200 and get consistently sharp images. Seriously, like a really bad hit rate. Once I doubled it they were sharp. So when I took the 5d4 out of eval loan through CPS for an August wedding, I had the 135L on it for formals and was using it at or above 1/500. All super sharp and the detail w/ 30MP is awesome.

So I think maybe raising your SS higher to keep the subject from moving across the pixels might a be something you can experiment with and then when your work load slows, like you mentioned, you could run MFA tests. Even with IS lenses, I think a moving subject at slower SS will result in more blurring on the mk4 over the mk3. That's what I noticed anyways.


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Oct 27, 2017 13:55 |  #5075

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Thanks, Jake! I don't really shoot much video, so I'm just going to use some of the existing cards I have for my 6D and see if a good deal pops up for a fast card around T'Giving or the holiday season.

I still need to received the camera though. The refurb store removed the 5D4 from the 15% off sale pretty quickly, so I won't celebrate until I have a tracking number from them!


I seem to recall that they take there time (by todays standards) both on the notification, AND the shipping.


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Oct 27, 2017 13:57 |  #5076

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I shoot weddings primarily, and run around all day with a 5D III in one hand and the IV in the other. There's a lot of things I love about my 5D IV, but I repeatedly find myself reaching for the III as my "primary" camera throughout the day. I just get sharper shots from the III with both my 70-200 and my 135L. Not sure if I just need to MFA or what...but it's frustrating as I really want to use it throughout the day because of much better noise/banding performance in the shadows at low ISO.

With working full time + shooting weddings and other sessions + a 6-month old I just haven't had time to investigate....this winter shoudl provide me a little time once I'm done editing!


I'd certainly look at MFA. Mine I have not done, so far so good, but it would not be normal to go from 5D3 to 5D4 and get worse results. Maybe a single global adjustment will help.


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Oct 29, 2017 11:34 |  #5077

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Patience is a virtue,. paid about that much for my 5D3 refurb as I was willing to wait. Somehow the 5D4 I just couldn't wait for, and I paid full retail. first time for everything!
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Ya crazy how just waiting one year could of saved us 1,000 bucks. However like you the 5D4 is just something I could not wait for. Had to have it new and then. Not sure why but I did it and it's done and I will continue to own said camera for the near future... about 4+ more years.


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Oct 29, 2017 12:12 |  #5078

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Ya crazy how just waiting one year could of saved us 1,000 bucks. However like you the 5D4 is just something I could not wait for. Had to have it new and then. Not sure why but I did it and it's done and I will continue to own said camera for the near future... about 4+ more years.

the good thing about 5d series is that they are only released once in 4 years so we won’t crave another one for a while. 5div is the first camera that does everything I need at the desired quality: stills, video, action, perfect colors, etc. Sure it will be nice to have articulating screen and FF 4k readout but I would need much more to even consider upgrading. What I don’t understand is why Canon did not include eye detect for DPAF? Face detect is rock solid so it seems eye detect at least at closer distance (where it actually matters) should be easy to add via firmware? Any chances of firmware upgrade including eye detect?




  
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Oct 29, 2017 12:54 |  #5079

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the good thing about 5d series is that they are only released once in 4 years so we won’t crave another one for a while. 5div is the first camera that does everything I need at the desired quality: stills, video, action, perfect colors, etc. Sure it will be nice to have articulating screen and FF 4k readout but I would need much more to even consider upgrading. What I don’t understand is why Canon did not include eye detect for DPAF? Face detect is rock solid so it seems eye detect at least at closer distance (where it actually matters) should be easy to add via firmware? Any chances of firmware upgrade including eye detect?

I don't feel like I need eye detect. Who is to say that their face detect doesn't focus on the eyes anyway it's just not advertised. Everytime I use dpaf and face detect the eyes are always in focus.


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Oct 29, 2017 13:08 |  #5080

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I don't feel like I need eye detect. Who is to say that their face detect doesn't focus on the eyes anyway it's just not advertised. Everytime I use dpaf and face detect the eyes are always in focus.

I found the same to be true in most cases but not all, and no control over which eye. It doesn’t always focus on the nearest eye. Also, I wish I could program a button to toggle face detect. The issue is that face detect affects metering too much and sometimes I wish to quickly pause it.




  
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Oct 29, 2017 13:50 |  #5081

All right, 5D4 veterans, I got a tracking number for my 5D4!! Will be in my grubby hands next Friday! Now, I need a crash course on everything about the camera, especially the exposure and focus settings. I'm coming from a 7D2. Is it very different? Any good tutorials or videos to watch while I wait for the camera? I might download the manual, but I've never found reading the manual from cover to cover a very efficient way to learn about the camera.


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Oct 29, 2017 14:28 |  #5082

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All right, 5D4 veterans, I got a tracking number for my 5D4!! Will be in my grubby hands next Friday! Now, I need a crash course on everything about the camera, especially the exposure and focus settings. I'm coming from a 7D2. Is it very different? Any good tutorials or videos to watch while I wait for the camera? I might download the manual, but I've never found reading the manual from cover to cover a very efficient way to learn about the camera.

Congratulations!

Coming from a 7D2 myself, I found switching to the 5D4 very easy, the two cameras are very similar in this respect. And I found that the best training resource is YouTube, there are a lot of clips on various aspects of the camera.


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Oct 30, 2017 02:46 |  #5083

Scrumhalf wrote in post #18483984 (external link)
All right, 5D4 veterans, I got a tracking number for my 5D4!! Will be in my grubby hands next Friday! Now, I need a crash course on everything about the camera, especially the exposure and focus settings. I'm coming from a 7D2. Is it very different? Any good tutorials or videos to watch while I wait for the camera? I might download the manual, but I've never found reading the manual from cover to cover a very efficient way to learn about the camera.

Same, same and better!!

Seriously, all the customisation of the 7d2 and more!

Range of custom settings and options for buttons expanded.

Focus settings and cases the same or better, ie some settings have more granularity.

Exposure... I have found less need to expose to the right, so lower ISO and/or higher shutter speed.

And exposures and shadows that can be raised without turning to mush.

Somewhere here on POTN have been a number of posts on how to set up various buttons to suit different needs.

Hope that gives you an idea.


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Oct 30, 2017 02:48 |  #5084

Thanks! Can't wait for it to arrive!


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Oct 30, 2017 08:28 |  #5085

I posted this a while ago.

1. I get all 61 AF points with my 100-400 II and 1.4 III. I love to use all the AF configs and Case numbers when I shoot and I not yet convinced Cases 5 and 6 do much for me unless I am using one of the zone AF modes. I'll be using that combo a lot more now.

2. The focus is very snappy even with the TC. When I was testing on the birds on the shots I was taking I was impressed.

3. A few case number parameters have more steps for fine tuning. Identical to the 1DX II.

4. The 5D4 has a separate AF area selection button just beside the multi-controller button. The 7D2 had it as part of the multi-controller button. If Canon had offered it as a retro for my 5D3 I would have paid to have it installed. I paid to have Canon install a locking mode dial retro on my 7D.

5. I did not really consider it but the touch screen is pretty amazing. I can whip through the menus. I barely use the green my menu's now. When I pick up my 7D2 I find myself tapping the screen.

6. When you press the Q button you get the Q screen. Press info and a second Q screen comes up that shows all the AF points, ISO, etc and you can program more things you want to see when you open that screen.

7. I have been shooting at 32,000 ISO and getting good results.

8. The 5D4 offers the Detail Set similar to the 7D2 when you are programming the AF-ON and * buttons. You can get a few more things like a specific case number, AF mode, switch to High Speed Continuous to auto engage.

So all around it has everything my 7D2 has that I wish my 5D3 had, more megapixels, better high ISO, better AF than both 5D3 and 7D2 and it is FF.


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