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Nov 06, 2017 13:29 |  #16

A nice compact lightweight monopod can be used to compensate for the lack of IS in many cases, so if you pick up a lens without IS, this is a way to make up for that.

I like this one, and you can add a pretty nice inexpensive ballhead to this if needed.

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Nov 06, 2017 23:42 |  #17

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There is 50 1.8 STM (and the pancake 40), but not really appropriate for this topic. :)

Yes but I have heard the 40 and although it’s technically STM, it’s not very quiet. Is the 50 actually as quiet focusing as the zooms?


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Nov 07, 2017 05:05 |  #18

The 40 was one of the first, and isn't that quiet, but all later generations have gotten much better.


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Nov 07, 2017 06:50 |  #19

The 50 STM is noisy too. The 40 STM is noisier a bit, but I don't have a dB measurement for it. But the 50 STM is not suitable for video with its noise either.

The 18-55 STM compared to those two is dead silent.

The "fast" STM lenses are noisy it seems.

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Nov 07, 2017 06:55 |  #20

Those that shoot video for vlogs, etc seem to like it just fine, but use off-camera recording, which most would do anyways I feel. The STM is more for smooth focusing as one pulls/pushes focusing or uses DPAF, and not so much about silence. The 50 1.8 provides that DOF control a videographer might want as well. Mics on a body just aren't very good for sound quality. In any case, a prime isn't a telephoto so it probably doesn't matter much here.

I would never use a prime for indoor sports if I am close to the action and mobile about the field. If I was in a static position, then I could see using a prime. Also for kids running around, I would again use a zoom, it just offers more creative composition and ease of shooting those memories, IMO.


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Nov 07, 2017 07:03 |  #21

The good points on the 55-250mm are that is it relatively cheaper, lighter to carry and very sharp even at the 250mm end. I've seen reviews on the Tameron that indicate that it may not be sharp after 260 -270mm mark.


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Nov 07, 2017 07:58 |  #22

MalVeauX wrote in post #18490638 (external link)
The 50 STM is noisy too. The 40 STM is noisier a bit, but I don't have a dB measurement for it. But the 50 STM is not suitable for video with its noise either.

The 18-55 STM compared to those two is dead silent.

The "fast" STM lenses are noisy it seems.

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My 18-135 USM is dead quiet. Fast, too.




  
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Nov 07, 2017 08:25 |  #23

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My 18-135 USM is dead quiet. Fast, too.

Fast, as in, focal-ratio is what I was referring to.

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Nov 07, 2017 08:29 |  #24

Bassat wrote in post #18490669 (external link)
My 18-135 USM is dead quiet. Fast, too.


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Fast, as in, focal-ratio is what I was referring to.

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:oops::oops::oops: I can see that, after the fact. :oops::oops::oops:

I thought you were referring to nano-USM lenses. The only fast STM I have is the 50. Never noticed noise, but I don't use it much.




  
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Nov 07, 2017 08:33 |  #25

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:oops::oops::oops: I can see that, after the fact. :oops::oops::oops:

I thought you were referring to nano-USM lenses. The only fast STM I have is the 50. Never noticed noise, but I don't use it much.

I put the 40 STM, 50 STM and 18-55 STM together to see with a subjective test of noise and the 40 STM was by far the noisier. The 50 STM was still noisy, if you can hear it's motor audibly without effort, it's noisy in my book. The 18-55, I can't hear at all. My 35 F2 IS's USM knocking around is more audible than the 18-55 STM (that's nuts!). I imagine many of the STM zooms are dead quiet.

While these short STM primes have no place in this thread, the subject came up because of talking about STM in general, as the OP mentioned making the odd video here and there. I highly doubt the OP, just dabbling with an odd video, is going to have a full on video setup with an external microphone and all that, considering the natural of this thread (budget, etc). So the microphone will be on-camera, and it will pick up all noise. And STM lenses like the 40 & 50 are just too noisy honestly for that. I've tested it and it's really annoying. The 18-55 STM was so quiet, it made sense, "ahh, that's why they made this." I imagine many other slower STM zooms are also dead quiet and good for this. But these short fast prime STM's are definitely not quiet. TeamSpeed dragged in the Vlog, external mics, etc, for whatever reason to comment on the noise of the 40/50 STM's after stating everything after the 40STM got better, but the 50STM isn't much quieter, so maybe that's why it came up. But it's clear the OP will not be doing that, and it will be on-camera microphone, and the 40/50's are noisy for on-camera microphone for someone who's not already big into audio processing and video to begin with (OP clearly is not).

I'm very curious to hear the difference between the 18-55 STM, 18-135 STM, 55-250 STM and 24-105 STM. If they're all dead silent or not. I bought several of the STM's just to see if the silence was legit and was sorely disappointed by the 40STM & 50STM in that regard. Sold the 40 STM and kept the 50 STM as it's a great little lens, just not silent. Bought the 18-55 STM just to see, and was surprised it was so quiet, dead silent. I'm curious about the others now. Granted, I don't do much video, especially not with AF lenses and telephoto (I mostly use manual fast primes for video). But for the sake of the "dad at an event recording it as video on the dSLR with an STM lens" argument, I'd be curious to know.

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Nov 07, 2017 08:39 |  #26

You can get a nice compact mic for under $80, even a Rode, and if you do video at all and want to capture the sounds better to match the video, it is almost a given you want a mic. The onboard capture entirely too much sound of handholding or just general whispers around the camera vs the action in front, like a kids play. In the end, the sound of a lens being recorded is the least of the factors that should be considered when doing video.

We learned this in spades when doing video announcements and just general event capture during church events like a baptism, etc. Not pro-video, just general video capture for those that are home-bound and still want to see what is going on. Ditto with school plays...

Get the correct lens to give you the most latitude in smooth focusing and DOF/creativity, the sound is easily managed through a very inexpensive accessory.

Given how well the current 18-135 Nano is being received, I would think that would be a great lens, and have even thought about getting it for our SL2 as a great walk about lens.


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Nov 07, 2017 08:59 |  #27

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Given how well the current 18-135 Nano is being received, I would think that would be a great lens, and have even thought about getting it for our SL2 as a great walk about lens.

I can't say enough good stuff about the 18-135 USM. I got mine a few weeks ago, and it made me sell my 24-105 STM. I've totally moved my general shooter from 6D/24-105 STM to 80D/18-135 USM. The STM was useful on 80D and 6D, the 18-135 only on 80D. But it is a cracking good lens. IQ is top-flight for EF-s, maybe for Canon. I've owned 15-85, and borrowed the 17-55. This lens is a cut above both wrt IQ. What really amazes me is the AF. With an 80D pushing it, it rivals my 70-200 f/4L IS for focus speed and accuracy. This 18-135 USM is probably the best $250 I've ever spent on Canon glass.




  
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Nov 07, 2017 10:00 |  #28

micco wrote in post #18489815 (external link)
- by this it will be things like indoor soccer, gymnastics, and photos taken from a distance (parents seating area).

As someone who has been there and done that for many years, those events and shooting from 'parents sitting area' don't work well together without very serious investment in glass; e.g; 300/2.8
What has worked for me is to move around, get close to the action, and use fast primes like 85, 100, 135. Of course, it is not always possible to get close to the action, depending on school rules, and what not.




  
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Nov 07, 2017 10:35 |  #29

f2.8 lenses for sports on a new crop body is very doable these days, depending on the facility. Newer constructions for schools and other indoor events are going to LED lights or bright gas lights, it is really the older schools with old types of lighting that make this very difficult. I would think an f4 would be the slowest lens I would go for regarding indoor sports.

Now for other indoor shooting (non-sports), since the shutter speeds can be relaxed a bit, a slower lens would work.

So a good compromise might be a prime and a zoom, provided the budget can take it. An 85 1.8 can be obtained for under $300 on the used market, and then a 55-250 for longer shooting in good lighting or outdoor might be the ticket here?


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Nov 07, 2017 14:09 |  #30

if 85/100mm are long enough, then going the used prime route is probably best...if you are going to come up short with that though there are a lot of older 70/80-200mm f2.8 zooms you could probably look at...or a 200mm f2.8 I possibly...depending on the lighting indoors it's going to be rough using an f4, or f5.6 lens though


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