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Nov 09, 2017 18:50 |  #31

Saving for a ff body. Likely to be 5dmkIV. Unless a 7D3 comes out before I have enough saved up. Especially if it had 12 fps. That would be sweet! Love the tilty screen on my 80D. But would sell the thing in a heart beat to offset some of the cost of a new 7D3. I'd assume the tilty, flippy touch screen will become the norm going forward. It's just way to handy.


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Nov 09, 2017 19:29 |  #32

saving up for 5D4....
maybe by then the 5D5 would be released  :p


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Nov 10, 2017 08:23 |  #33

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Especially if it had 12 fps. That would be sweet

I'm curious. What does 12 fps get you that 10 doesn't? I mean, photographically. It's a shot every 83 msec instead of every 100msec. I have not been in a situation where I found myself thinking, "Dagnabbit, if I had 12 fps I would have gotten that shot."


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Nov 10, 2017 08:39 |  #34

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I'm curious. What does 12 fps get you that 10 doesn't? I mean, photographically. It's a shot every 83 msec instead of every 100msec. I have not been in a situation where I found myself thinking, "Dagnabbit, if I had 12 fps I would have gotten that shot."

In baseball, those 2 frames could mean a difference of capturing the ball being flattened against the bat, vs the ball just hovering off the bat making it indeterminate of whether it was hit or is about to be hit. It also means you have 20% higher chance of getting just that one perfect frame.

I found that 10fps was good for these shots and 12 wouldn't have helped any more, but there are other situations it would. If you know the event you are shooting, 10fps coupled with experience makes things a bit easier. If not, 12 or 14fps makes things easier. In the first shot of the caught pop fly, that ball will travel about 1-2 feet less per frame at 12fps vs 10.

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With 4K video and the ability to pull a 4K frame out, we are getting to the point that you might want to record video clips of sports. It would be less than ideal though, but that possibility now exists.

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Nov 10, 2017 09:12 |  #35

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In baseball, those 2 frames could mean a difference of capturing the ball being flattened against the bat, vs the ball just hovering off the bat making it indeterminate of whether it was hit or is about to be hit.

Point made. I was thinking more along the lines of kids soccer where the ball doesn't travel > 95mph.


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Nov 10, 2017 09:49 |  #36

I have 7 fps on my 80d. I passed on the 7d2 for the flippy screen and newer sensor. Plus increased DR, if only slightly. But i would like to have 10 fps. That said, the new 7D might as well have 12. Also when your panning with a vehicle traveling 300+ mph as i do with NHRA, The extra few frames are more likely to have a sharp shot in the mess!


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Nov 10, 2017 09:55 as a reply to  @ joedlh's post |  #37

Here is another case, just to add to the topic. Two players moving toward each other, each swinging their arms in an arc. To get that shot where the player still has the ball in their hand and I can see their face is a very fleeting moment indeed. 7fps just isn't enough, 10fps might be, 12 would be great! It isn't just about the speed of the action either, it is about getting that shot where a bunch of players aren't obstructing the view you are going for.

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Nov 10, 2017 11:52 |  #38

I used to use a 1DIV for sports/action. Lots of times one frame is too early, the next too late. I'd love a 1DXII @ 14 fps. Funny, I used to shoot soccer with all manual Yashica FX2 and FX3-S2K. Both, if I got really good, could hit one frame per second. IIRC, I did OK.


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Nov 22, 2017 01:19 |  #39

If this is so I hope early in 2018. I hate getting a new camera in the and then two weeks later it drops to -25 Celsius. If my 5D4 had a few extra FPS I'd call it the perfect all around FF.


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Nov 22, 2017 04:06 |  #40

I'm thinking of upgrading my 450D (Xsi) with the 7DIII. The problems with the 7DII did hold me back from upgrading, hopefully the III will have no problems. The sooner it comes out the better.




  
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Nov 22, 2017 08:04 |  #41

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The problems with the 7DII did hold me back from upgrading...

There were problems with the 7DII? Why am I always the last to know???


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Nov 22, 2017 08:39 |  #42

O problems with mine either. There always seems to b a segment of people with either perceived or real problems with each release, but that doesn't mean the entire model line is flawed. Get a 7d2 from Canon refurbs and return it if you have an issue, Ditto for new.


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Nov 22, 2017 09:40 |  #43

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I'm thinking of upgrading my 450D (Xsi) with the 7DIII. The problems with the 7DII did hold me back from upgrading, hopefully the III will have no problems. The sooner it comes out the better.

My focus problems with the 7D2 ended when I unsubscribed from the 7D2 focus thread.

The 7D3 has a bigger problem - it doesn't exist.


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Nov 22, 2017 11:35 |  #44

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In baseball, those 2 frames could mean a difference of capturing the ball being flattened against the bat, vs the ball just hovering off the bat making it indeterminate of whether it was hit or is about to be hit. It also means you have 20% higher chance of getting just that one perfect frame.

I found that 10fps was good for these shots and 12 wouldn't have helped any more, but there are other situations it would. If you know the event you are shooting, 10fps coupled with experience makes things a bit easier. If not, 12 or 14fps makes things easier. In the first shot of the caught pop fly, that ball will travel about 1-2 feet less per frame at 12fps vs 10.
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Capturing the ball in flight at one point vs. another is nevertheless mostly fortuitous coincidence, whether at 10 fps for 12 fps!
Assuming a pitcher throws at 90mph, the ball is moving 132fps or 1584 inches per second.

  • So at 10 fps, the ball moves 158 inches between successive frames,
  • while at 12 fps the ball moves 132 inches between successive frames!


...so catching the ball at the bat or at the catcher's glove is mostly luck!

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Nov 22, 2017 14:26 |  #45

Then I am pretty lucky because I have several! It is really just experience and timing. I also watch with both eyes, one watches the pitcher, the other keeps the batter centered, then I snap at the pitch or close to it.


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