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Dec 05, 2017 02:21 |  #1

I am looking to purchase a 7d Mk ii. It seems like the majority of the used ones come with a battery grip. Does this camera use up so much battery that its a needed accessory?
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Dec 05, 2017 02:50 |  #2

It's definitely not needed. I have a grip and can deplete both batteries in a day. I also have a 1DS2 and a 1D4 and can get 2 long days out of their battery. (1DS2 has a big NiMh, 1D4 has LiOn).


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Dec 05, 2017 04:55 |  #3

dansmail26 wrote in post #18510910 (external link)
I am looking to purchase a 7d Mk ii. It seems like the majority of the used ones come with a battery grip. Does this camera use up so much battery that its a needed accessory?
Still looking!
Dan

I doubt that the primary reason that folks use an accessory grip on cameras has much of anything to do with battery life. For me, at least, the reason that I use a grip (currently on a 7D) is the way the camera works in my hands. The grip does several things for me. It helps to balance heavy lenses a bit. It gives me the tools for comfortable shooting with the camera rotated for vertical framing. It works very well for anchoring the hand strap that I use all the time.

In fact, I only use one battery at a time in the grip.


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Dec 05, 2017 04:57 |  #4

Only important (not needed) if you do a lot of vertical orientation shooting.

Battery lifetime depends on how you shoot and what lens you use. Mine has varied between 400 shots/battery (using Tamron 150-600) out to 1800 shots/battery (70-200 at airshow, minimal chimping).

When I shot a lot of indoor sports I used a grip on my 7D. Once that era passed, I removed the grip and haven't replaced it. Grip definitely increases both the camera's bulk and weight, something to consider.


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Dec 05, 2017 07:48 |  #5

I was shooting at an area with a lot of other people and was next to another photographer having an in depth convo with a young teenager aspiring for more advanced gear, that the grip was needed (on his 7D2) as it was necessary to improve the focus speed. I don’t use a grip as I don’t like them, but this was the first I heard this and highly doubted it. Fact or fiction?


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Dec 05, 2017 08:07 |  #6

Fiction. Probably something that has transformed into a new "truth" from the fact (yes, fact) that some Nikon cameras require a grip to achieve higher frame rates than standard. But Canon don't build their cameras like that, so neither frame rate nor focus speed will be affected.

However, some Canon lenses will perform marginally better when attached to certain 1D-series cameras, due to the higher voltage available from the battery in such cameras. The difference is small, but it's claimed to be there.


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Dec 05, 2017 08:21 |  #7

No camera needs the grip.

Some prefer it.
Some don't.

I used to prefer them.
Now I don't.

I totally appreciate my 1D having it built in when I shoot portrait orientation so that I don't have to spend a long time ape-arming the camera.

I think a lot of folk get them thinking they may need them, find out that the battery life is great without it anyways, and it just bulks up the whole package, so they leave it in the box and sell it later as a bonus accessory for the kit.

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Dec 05, 2017 08:28 |  #8

Thanks everyone, now while looking I won't actively pursue a grip. Now if anyone has a spare 7d2 laying around, it would make my wives Xmas day, lol.


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Dec 05, 2017 09:38 |  #9

As everyone has already stated, you find gripped 7D2's more often than many other cameras because the 7D2 is often used for sports and wildlife shooters who use long, heavy lenses, and the grip helps to balance out the weight of those lenses. Personally I have a grip on all my bodies because it feels much more comfortable and stable to hold, and I don't even have overly large hands. When I want smaller form factor I have an M6 which is tiny with the kit 15-45 lens, but when using a DSLR it's always gripped.

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Dec 05, 2017 10:13 |  #10

I prefer a hand strap for my old 7d. I have never need the extra battery power of a grip. but the hand strap is almost a necessity with a big lens and shooting all day. I presume the same holds true for the 7dII.


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Dec 05, 2017 11:04 |  #11

ct1co2 wrote in post #18511019 (external link)
I was shooting at an area with a lot of other people and was next to another photographer having an in depth convo with a young teenager aspiring for more advanced gear, that the grip was needed (on his 7D2) as it was necessary to improve the focus speed. I don’t use a grip as I don’t like them, but this was the first I heard this and highly doubted it. Fact or fiction?


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Fiction. Probably something that has transformed into a new "truth" from the fact (yes, fact) that some Nikon cameras require a grip to achieve higher frame rates than standard. But Canon don't build their cameras like that, so neither frame rate nor focus speed will be affected.

However, some Canon lenses will perform marginally better when attached to certain 1D-series cameras, due to the higher voltage available from the battery in such cameras. The difference is small, but it's claimed to be there.

The photographer in question didn't understand the difference between putting batteries in series vs parallel (in addition to a couple other points of confusion). 1D bodies operate at 11.1V, other bodies are at 7.2V. One of the benefits of the higher voltage is the ability to focus faster, particularly when driving the big, heavy elements found in the big whites.

When using a grip on something like a 7D2 with two of the cameras normal batteries, the batteries are placed in parallel to double the capacity. The voltage however does not change. On the other hand, when you use the battery tray that lets you use AA's in the grip, those batteries are placed in series but that is to allow multiple low voltage batteries to add up to enough voltage to run the camera at 7.2V.




  
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Dec 05, 2017 15:29 as a reply to  @ TreeburnerCT's post |  #12

She does use her 70-200 l and a 150-500 sigma a lot for bird picks, so something to think about.


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Dec 05, 2017 22:12 |  #13

I have my 5D3 gripped, mostly for vertical portraits (though the base is a bit sturdier for an Arca Swiss plate I have at the bottom...which also has an attachment for a shoulder strap). It also is a nice counterbalance for my L lenses. With my Sigma 150-600, I mainly use it with the 7D2 and don't have it gripped. I'm hand holding, but finding I need to be supporting most the weight from the lens....and like keeping the 7D2 more compact. So, with Canons, it does boil down to preference.


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Dec 05, 2017 22:29 |  #14

SkipD wrote in post #18510942 (external link)
I doubt that the primary reason that folks use an accessory grip on cameras has much of anything to do with battery life.

Sadly, there are MANY users who think the capacity of a single battery is too little, and they think it too cumbersome (or require just a bit of thinking in advance!) to keep a spare battery in the pocket and swap it out in the middle of the day.

I have been 'shot down' on more than one occasion when advocating keeping a spare battery in the camera bag or pocket in POTN posts!


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Dec 05, 2017 22:51 |  #15

The only time I use my grip now is when I am shooting surfing. Less chance of me dropping a battery or getting sand inside the door. Otherwise I just carry a battery in my pocket to swap out.


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