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Dec 17, 2017 17:32 |  #16

Ltdave wrote in post #18520362 (external link)
so the 1DX is only 18 mp? how did that happen?

figured it was at least as much as the 5D3...

the 5D4 i was looking at got snapped up pretty quickly. i guess its back to the looking game...

Acquaintance shooter uses an 18MP 7D for 20"x30" poster prints. Surely you can go larger with a full frame 1DX.




  
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Dec 17, 2017 18:07 |  #17

Ltdave wrote in post #18520382 (external link)
right now, semi-pro hockey and HS football...

12800 for the football, 3200-4000 for hockey...

not usually...

wondering if the weight is really going to be an issue. a football game with the 5D3 and 70-200 f2.8 gets my back to aching, especially after ive put 12-14 hours at other endeavors....

Yes the weight can be an issue, but looking at those ISO numbers, I think the 1DX may be the better option?

See if you can try one out before you decide.


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Dec 18, 2017 09:44 |  #18

Bipod maybe?


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Dec 18, 2017 10:09 |  #19

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It comes down to megapixels vs FPS and build quality vs more compact body. To me focus speed and accuracy are a draw. Both are great cameras. If you don't need the FPS the 5D4 is a great choice. I just spent 2 weeks in Costa Rica with a 5D4 and a 100-400vII. The performance and the files from the 5D4 were great.


My feelings exactly.
My choice was a new 5D4 vs. paying the same price for a used 1Dx (about a year ago now right? Amazing how much the used price of the 1Dx has come down since then!!)

For me the added MP and DR/noise leeway was more important than FPS. This despite being a "1D" shooter since 2004. AF is a bit difficult to balance, in many ways the 5D4 has superior AF, but for raw speed, again the 1Dx may win.


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Dec 18, 2017 10:12 |  #20

Bassat wrote in post #18514807 (external link)
... I take that to mean the 5D4 also has better/faster/more programmable AF than the 1DX. Never use either, just speculating.

5D4 has the 1DX II Af system, and thus in most ways is an improvement over the 1Dx system. As others have mentioned though, despite the older 1Dx af system, the 1Dx still has more dedicated AF processing power, which may offer the 1Dx faster acquisition and tracking. Blance that with the 5D4s superior AF in lower light and f/8 focusing with all AF points with many lenses.


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Dec 18, 2017 16:19 |  #21

I debated this long and hard last year when I got my 5D4. Honestly, even though the majority of what I shot until recently was sports, I still opted for the 5D4 and have yet to be disappointed with it as a photographic tool.

The AF speed/accuracy is noticably better than my 5D3. The files are amazing to work with in post for everything from low ISO landscape to high ISO fast-action sports. I actually stopped bracketing exposures for some of my landscapes because the results I can pull from single exposures are so good.

Unless you absolutely need the form-factor and raw speed of the 1DX I will happily recommend the 5D4 all day long.


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Dec 18, 2017 17:45 |  #22

If you need to ask I say 5D4. I bought a 1D2n new. Loved it. It's still working (as advised by it's more recent owner). I bought a 1D4 when it was about 12 months old. Loved it and still do. For many of the photos I take an 80D would result in better photos. (Birds, most often used ISO is 400. The shadow recovery of the 80D is the main reason I would say better results). With my 100-400 II lens the 80D provides 27 AF points with a 1.4 III TC vs the centre point with 4 assist of the 1D4, which is the same situation with my 7D2. I shoot a lot and my 7D2 has about 45K actuations. By the time I either sell or relegate to back up use the 7D2 will most likely still work fine and get a larger percentage of the new price back if I decide to sell, compared to 1D2n, by a large margin.
I also have a 1DS2 which I use still. I bought that in 2012 for $900, the owner paid $14k (Australian dollars) in 2004. If it dies tomorrow I have got good value but chances are it will give me a few years yet. I take risks with it, bad weather, sunsets (with the complete sun in frame) etc.

All this has made me decide that while 1s are great, their value is realised by pros who put many more actuations on them sooner and rely on their ruggedness. At this moment, 80D, 7D2 and 5D4 offer a lot of value. 1 DX2 is almost double the cost of 2 5D4s. Unless the slightly superior AF or FPS of the 1DX2 is a critical need, FPS more so than AF, 5D4 is a smarter choice.


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Dec 18, 2017 23:50 |  #23

Ltdave wrote in post #18514861 (external link)
. . . ive never seen a 1DX go for under $3000 unless only by a few hunderd but currently eyeing a 5D4 at $2500...


CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18520831 (external link)
Amazing how much the used price of the 1Dx has come down since then!!)

Right, Jake - the 1Dx used prices have come way down over the past year. . If somebody can't find one today for $2200 or $2300, they're not looking very hard. . Give me a fast internet connection and I can find one for that price in 10 or 15 minutes.

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Dec 19, 2017 07:27 |  #24

Ltdave wrote in post #18520362 (external link)
So the 1DX is only 18 Mp? How did that happen?

Figured it was at least as much as the 5D Mark III...

It is about the same. Multiply with the frame rate, and you see why there are less pixels in each image. But not in a second.


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Dec 19, 2017 07:44 |  #25

5DS - 250 Mb/s
5D4 - 210 Mb/s
1DX - 216 Mb/s

Assuming I have the resolution and burst speeds correct... there is more available than what was put into the 5D4 and even 1DX.


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Dec 19, 2017 09:22 |  #26

1DX max frame rate is 14 images/second.


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Dec 19, 2017 09:26 |  #27

JPG vs Raw? Isn't 14 jpg only? I was comparing raw throughput.


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Dec 19, 2017 09:34 |  #28

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18520836 (external link)
5D4 has the 1DX II Af system, and thus in most ways is an improvement over the 1Dx system. As others have mentioned though, despite the older 1Dx af system, the 1Dx still has more dedicated AF processing power, which may offer the 1Dx faster acquisition and tracking. Blance that with the 5D4s superior AF in lower light and f/8 focusing with all AF points with many lenses.


Im mot so sure I agree with this.

I cant find anything on the net to dispute this either. I believe the 5D4 is a little sister AF system to the 1Dx2 much like the 5D3 and 1DX1 systems were when they were introduced.

All I can do is tell you what I have seen and experienced in the field with myself and others who were shooting in identical conditions

The 5D4 guys were getting A LOT less keepers than I was with the 1Dx2 on our eagle trip. So much so that they were asking me how I had my camera set up.

Additionally

I had my 7D2 with me and it was set up as close to the 1Dx2 as I could get it

I was very disappointed with the 7D2 results. Extremely disappointed

I Probably had 20-25% less performance and keeper rate. I mean I was shooting in exact conditions and it missed with a much higher degree and frequency as compared to the 1Dx2.

ESPECIALLY BIF'S.- If i could pick it up and track it for a longer distance the 7D2 did just OK where as the 1Dx2 rarely missed a BIF once I had it tracked

The 5D4 guys, 2 of them, both had the same issues. We were shooting in terrible conditions. But they missed right and left

So Im not so sure the 1Dx2 and the 5D4 are the exact systems. I do not think this is a correct statement based on what I have seen with the 3 times I could get both bodies in identical conditions.

Not sure what Canon has done with this 1Dx2 but its a marked improvement over the 1Dx1. I have used both bodies a lot. I have never had a camera this accurate with an AF system. Especially servo use. It Never misses in servo. I have yet to miss a processional shot with the body. The 5D4 that my assistant used missed several processional shots.

So I dont think its the same. I think its a little sister version.


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Dec 19, 2017 10:32 |  #29

I think the focusing difference is attributable to the 1DX having dual processors (v5) via a single processor for the 5D4 (v6). The 1DXmk2 has dual v6 processors.

My understanding is that on the 1D cameras one of the computers is dedicated to focus while the other deals with exposure and other camera control functions.


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Dec 19, 2017 10:51 |  #30

bpalermini wrote in post #18521679 (external link)
I think the focusing difference is attributable to the 1DX having dual processors (v5) via a single processor for the 5D4 (v6). The 1DXmk2 has dual v6 processors.

My understanding is that on the 1D cameras one of the computers is dedicated to focus while the other deals with exposure and other camera control functions.


Thanks for this

I could not find anywhere on the net

But I can state w/o hesitation its a noticeable difference over the 1Dx2 and over the older system of the 7D2....Its a night and day difference BT the 2 systems

I was reaching for the 1Dx2 with a 1.4 TC and a 300 F/2.8L over the 7D2 with same set up because the 7D2 was missing a lot compared to the 1Dx2. I was a real eye opener with moving objects. Sitting in a tree or on the beach....Minimal issues. When it was really moving, the 1Dx2 nailed it where the 7D2 Did not. Missed like crazy


I might just take out the 5D4 next time to go and shoot same way to find out for sure. However I have compared 1Dx2 to the 5D3...again Night and day difference with performance of AF systems especially with servo use


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