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Jan 06, 2018 09:55 |  #10006

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Sorry guys but another post from me about archiving - this may interest some of you though.

After my scare last night I’ve been doing a bit of reading on the best method for long term archiving of my digital image files. Hard drives in constant use are only rated for 3-5 years before issues can start due to the magnets etc. External drives sitting stored may last a decade or two but will eventually degrade.

It seems the best option for prosperity is M-disc media. They can be read and written to by standard blue ray recorders and are readily available. Extract below from a website I was reading -

Write-once BD-R HTL (High To Low) can last for 100 to 150 years given a relatively mild environment—i.e., not on your dashboard in Phoenix. Milleniatta’s M-Disc BD-R and DVD+R write-once discs use an even more stable data layer that is rated for 10,000 years. Only its polycarbonate outer layers reduce that to a mere 1,000 years. Note that this is all theoretical, but the testing MOs were rigorous and performed by the government of France (BD-R), and the Navy for the Department of Defense (M-Disc DVD).

Available in 25GB, 50GB, and 100GB (currently very expensive) flavors, BD-R also has enough capacity to handle long-term backup and archival chores. The downside is a relatively slow 21MBps writing at best—substantially slower than USB 3.0 hard drives and SSDs.

If you’re worried about optical drives disappearing, know that optical retains a very strong presence in the archival community, as well as the enterprise, so that should give you some reassurance.

Advice: Despite its slow speed, optical is pretty perfect for archiving your most important data.


Not ideal for everyday backups but potentially the best option for passing your images on to future generations of your family

There’s also the issue of disc size. Depending on how big your collection is it could end up spanning a lot of discs

I'de stay away from BD-R, too much work. I came from an era that DVD-r was common, and I still have stacks of those things. I transferred to hard drives. If it's too much trouble, it wont be done.

if you want to prolong your NAS, look into the sleep settings, I have mine setup to hibernate after 30 minutes (sweet spot with experimentation), so they basically stop spinning most the time. My drives are well past the 5 year mark. Ones that run at my moms are probably 8-10 by now, that's a pretty good lifespan!


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Jan 06, 2018 09:58 |  #10007

Charlie wrote in post #18534828 (external link)
I'de stay away from BD-R, too much work. I came from an era that DVD-r was common, and I still have stacks of those things. I transferred to hard drives. If it's too much trouble, it wont be done.

if you want to prolong your NAS, look into the sleep settings, I have mine setup to hibernate after 30 minutes (sweet spot with experimentation), so they basically stop spinning most the time. My drives are well past the 5 year mark. Ones that run at my moms are probably 8-10 by now, that's a pretty good lifespan!

Im more looking for a 50-100 year lifespan for the family photos I want to pass down. The rest I can deal with by doing the standard regular HDD drive updates. Would like to have a stack of optical discs sitting somewhere safe with simply jpegs in folders on it so people can just insert and browse


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Jan 06, 2018 10:19 |  #10008

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I hear you mate, went same the same process myself recently and decided to get the FE and sell the Batis. Unfortunately I bought the batis full price New at release so it didn’t work out financially to sell t as it was too much of a hit. Having said that I do love the batis and the images it produces. I just like the look of the FE body better plus would like that eye-af button on the lens

I've not even looked into the current price of a used Batis yet.... I might just email MPB & see what they offer. I've always found them pretty competitive in the past.

And I agree, I certainly can't knock the images from the Batis at all.


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Jan 06, 2018 10:30 |  #10009

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I've not even looked into the current price of a used Batis yet.... I might just email MPB & see what they offer. I've always found them pretty competitive in the past.

And I agree, I certainly can't knock the images from the Batis at all.

Hadnt even heard of that site before. I have asked for a quote for one of my lenses just out of curiosity


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Jan 06, 2018 10:34 |  #10010

xpfloyd wrote in post #18534832 (external link)
Im more looking for a 50-100 year lifespan for the family photos I want to pass down. The rest I can deal with by doing the standard regular HDD drive updates. Would like to have a stack of optical discs sitting somewhere safe with simply jpegs in folders on it so people can just insert and browse

I checked some of my archives, and indeed, the optical discs are fine. My wife was pretty good looking back then, 12 years ago ;-)a

exif says EOS digital rebel XTI + 50mm f2.8 (tamron 17-50 f2.8).

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Jan 06, 2018 11:13 |  #10011

12 years ago I had hair :lol:

Lee, checked that site for a batis 85 price and they quoted £575 for a like new copy. I then checked eBay and they are selling for £700-£750 so even after 10% eBay fees and 3% PayPal fees you are better off selling on eBay if you can be bothered with the hassle


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Jan 06, 2018 11:28 |  #10012

Are there any hot shoe flashes available for Sony that are smaller than the nissin i40? I literally only want TTL and a front facing flash to mimic a pop up flash

For example here is a Fuji one


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I use my x100f more indoors than my Sony and it’s simply because of the ease of having a built in flash. Once I have to go and attach a small speedlight the bulk of it all is off putting. Would love a small flash like the above for Sony for these occasions which I have come to realise is a lot of the time. My go to indoor x100f settings are 1/125 iso1600 and flash on then just adjust aperture for each shot

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Jan 06, 2018 11:32 |  #10013

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Sorry to hear your hassle with back up Eddie, I keep it "old school" manual backup on three different externals, I am in control.

MM this one is for you from Viera on Christmas eve actually early morning
This fish was so wide the large gator could not get it into its mouth
The guy is a BIG boy as well as the fish in fresh water
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Wow!:eek: Great shot!


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Jan 06, 2018 11:37 |  #10014

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Very cool shots!

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Wow! I've seen many a gator at Vista but never that big and to think he can hardly handle the fish!

Yes, it was the second largest I seen, the 1st goes to one that was as long as a two lane country rd.. He literally was stretched a crossed from shoulder to shoulder.
In matting season up north of Orlando at Lake Jessup, there are so many gators in the water. Actually the most I seen at one time..


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Jan 06, 2018 11:39 |  #10015

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Wow!:eek: Great shot!

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Jan 06, 2018 12:19 |  #10016

I took two shots of my bar using the Sony FE 35 and the Sigma 35 Art. The camera was set to Manual and I manually focused on the rim of the margarita glass nearest the camera. I uploaded both raw files to the Adobe ACR editor so that any changes made could be synced to both.

I was very surprised that the main difference between the two lenses was the field of view. I did no crops on either image so the only thing that might be different is lens profile distortion correction. I made sure that both CA corrections and lens corrections were on for both images.

You can view the differences on my Comparison page. I have the Sony FE image on the left and the Sigma Art on the right. If you click on the labels at the bottom, the image will change from one image to the other immediately.

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Jan 06, 2018 12:31 |  #10017

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I took two shots of my bar using the Sony FE 35 and the Sigma 35 Art. The camera was set to Manual and I manually focused on the rim of the margarita glass nearest the camera. I uploaded both raw files to the Adobe ACR editor so that any changes made could be synced to both.

I was very surprised that the main difference between the two lenses was the field of view. I did no crops on either image so the only thing that might be different is lens profile distortion correction. I made sure that both CA corrections and lens corrections were on for both images.

You can view the differences on my Comparison page. I have the Sony FE image on the left and the Sigma Art on the right. If you click on the labels at the bottom, the image will change from one image to the other immediately.

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Interesting.

The Sigma holds more round bokeh balls on the edges, but the corner sharpness of the FE 35mm really stands out. The details in the extreme bottom right corner are tack sharp on the Sony.

Probably my main reason for asking if you had done a comparison is because if you’re going to shoot @ F2.8 then why use one 35mm vs. the other?


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Jan 06, 2018 12:41 |  #10018

It's been bitterly cold in my neck of the woods, coldest winter in the last 50 years:-(

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Jan 06, 2018 14:00 |  #10019

i really felt missing something. an UWA lens. I'm on the fence to decide on the laowa 15F2 Zero-D. I love the F2 and filter thread. First 2018 GASyndrome.


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Jan 06, 2018 14:09 |  #10020

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Trying to get a sense of what I'm looking at. Is that a frozen beach?

Cool shot either way.


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