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Jan 10, 2018 20:04 |  #7171

My fav deer came for a visit.. her and her offspring have that white fur hairs right between her eye's . I'm glad she's faster than the wolves .....for now.
And her young one from last spring. both images from the last couple days.


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Jan 10, 2018 21:37 |  #7172

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OK I understand the little edge in IQ.. but here's the letdown.. 7 frames a second.. 21 images in raw before you hit the buffer... BOOM that little thing just put the 5DIV back on the shelf and out of the running for a wildlife shooter camera for me. The 7DII at 10 frames a second is on the edge of yesterday im not sure of the number of raw's before I hit the buffer.. I only know its not nearly enough and 7 frames is 7D territory in dog years thats a life time.
For me in real life shooting wildlife I need AF that sticks it and a good long string of raw's so I can pick the right head turn or body movement. There is always one that is the clear winner in 30 or 40 images in a string. and with the slower camera its more than likely the one you didnt get. I have some clear requirements now in camera's, I know they will all shoot super images. but getting the one people will click the like button on well that could be shot number 28 1/2. the IQ sounds awesome but at what cost. I know the 5DIV guys will say they have got some awesome images with it and they have. But I'm wondering just what They left in the field.
Its a wicked discussion thread topic I would think.

You would love the 1DXII it would really make you smile and 14 to 16 fps it's almost impossible not to get the frame you are looking for!


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Jan 11, 2018 03:52 |  #7173

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You would love the 1DXII it would really make you smile and 14 to 16 fps it's almost impossible not to get the frame you are looking for!

If you're gunna go fast, why muck around with pedestrian Canon options.
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Jan 11, 2018 03:55 |  #7174

Just hanging around waiting for it's skin to drop.

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Jan 11, 2018 07:38 as a reply to  @ Choderboy's post |  #7175

Because they are canon, have you tried going through a card full of 60 frames a second. ?? Its beyond what we are talking about really. I like shooting not deleting image. It’ll be a long time yet before I’m carrying a mirrorless. I have a friend that sold all his canon gear and went with the Oly mkII. So I’ve seen the transition. he works hard at it but there are drawbacks.

I think there’s a limit to just how fast one needs to go and slow, Honestly I’m hoping the 7DIII is just what I’m looking for. At half the price.


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Jan 11, 2018 08:23 |  #7176

;-)a :p Now Dave, you need to get with Jeff and source your critters from the same modeling agency! All his foxes, pine martins and deer are impeccably groomed with no hair out of place and they obviously are posed and frozen in place. Just think what your lizard would look like all scrubbed up and waxed to be shiny!  :p:-)
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Jan 11, 2018 08:42 |  #7177

Pondrader wrote in post #18538577 (external link)
Because they are canon, have you tried going through a card full of 60 frames a second. ?? Its beyond what we are talking about really. I like shooting no deleting image. It’ll be a long time yet before I’m carrying a frameless. I have a friend that sold all his canon gear and went with the Oly mkII. So I’ve seen the transition he works hard at it but there are drawbacks.

I think there’s a limit to just how fast one needs to go and slow, Honestly I’m hoping the 7DIII is just what I’m looking for. At half the price.

Another truth very well said.

Thank you, Jeff.

Let's see........60 frames per second..........what was that old adage.......spray and pray......was that it? :rolleyes:


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Jan 11, 2018 08:54 |  #7178

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Another truth very well said.

Thank you, Jeff.

Let's see........60 frames per second..........what was that old adage.......spray and pray......was that it? :rolleyes:

So true.. I would text my buddy and say "what doin" he said "Deleting Images " lol I would say " really.. I'm processing the good stuff" and sent him something lol


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Jan 11, 2018 09:02 |  #7179

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;-)a :p Now Dave, you need to get with Jeff and source your critters from the same modeling agency! All his foxes, pine martins and deer are impeccably groomed with no hair out of place and they obviously are posed and frozen in place. Just think what your lizard would look like all scrubbed up and waxed to be shiny!  :p:-)
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I use the .... M Nature modelling agency. Their always professional and rarely bite.

Just came across this one from back awhile ago.. its still striking to me. maybe not my best but I like it!!

Petie I'll let Dave do the slimy stuff... I'll stick to the fur


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Jan 11, 2018 15:11 |  #7180

Pondrader wrote in post #18538577 (external link)
Because they are canon, have you tried going through a card full of 60 frames a second. ?? Its beyond what we are talking about really. I like shooting not deleting image. It’ll be a long time yet before I’m carrying a frameless. I have a friend that sold all his canon gear and went with the Oly mkII. So I’ve seen the transition. he works hard at it but there are drawbacks.

I think there’s a limit to just how fast one needs to go and slow, Honestly I’m hoping the 7DIII is just what I’m looking for. At half the price.

Quite true about the OLY. I did what your friend did. Canon 1D IV+100-400 and everything else Canon sold. OLY gear in.
1/3 of the weight. 1/3 of the price. Only initial AF at 60fps, but 18fps with full AF is quite fast.
Working on drawbacks too, but I don't want to derail this thread.

True story: I am still subbed to this thread mainly to see your foxes, martens and all the other co-stars of yours.

I wish you could send some of them down here...

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Jan 11, 2018 15:44 |  #7181

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Pine Marten's are crazy Matt,.. they never stop running. The stuff I have that looks like they are standing still means they slowed down to half my shutter speed. I must say I lust for the big canon but unless I win the lotto I will never get to even hold one. I would say a shoot with the Pine Marten that lasts 5 or 6 mins is at the max images a 7DII can take in that time.. I concentrate on focus and framing and ive worn out a few buttons doing it. In the 1000's and only a few are POTN worthy.
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Daft suggestion; but you could set a 5D4 to 4K video mode, 25 or 30fps, set the shutter speed to 1/250s and pull 8MP JPEG frames from the resulting MJPEG file.

No RAW with that method unfortunately, but as far as I understand it should effectively be like taking 8MP JPEG stills at 25 or 30fps (there's no inter frame compression).

You also get a 1.7x crop in 4K mode (a source of much grumbling from video shooters); but that effectively means you'd get a framing similar to what you're getting on the 7D.


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Jan 11, 2018 16:24 |  #7182

sploo wrote in post #18538857 (external link)
Daft suggestion; but you could set a 5D4 to 4K video mode, 25 or 30fps, set the shutter speed to 1/250s and pull 8MP JPEG frames from the resulting MJPEG file.

No RAW with that method unfortunately, but as far as I understand it should effectively be like taking 8MP JPEG stills at 25 or 30fps (there's no inter frame compression).

You also get a 1.7x crop in 4K mode (a source of much grumbling from video shooters); but that effectively means you'd get a framing similar to what you're getting on the 7D.

I could never shoot like that... I would never know where focus was and I try to deal in accurate AF not hopping the camera can catch what I'm looking for.. But it is a thought !! From a wildlife shooters protective viewfinder is the only way. Even using multi point can result is less than satisfactory results. I think the 10 of the 7DII is ok. the 14 of the 7DIII will be even better.


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Jan 11, 2018 19:29 |  #7183

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Quite true about the OLY. I did what your friend did. Canon 1D IV+100-400 and everything else Canon sold. OLY gear in.
1/3 of the weight. 1/3 of the price. Only initial AF at 60fps, but 18fps with full AF is quite fast.
Working on drawbacks too, but I don't want to derail this thread.

True story: I am still subbed to this thread mainly to see your foxes, martens and all the other co-stars of yours.

I wish you could send some of them down here...

Cheers.

I can only say thank you. Glad you enjoy them as much as I do..

A side I almost never do.. I mostly do eyes on me images.


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Jan 12, 2018 01:01 |  #7184

Petie53 wrote in post #18538604 (external link)
;-)a :p Now Dave, you need to get with Jeff and source your critters from the same modeling agency! All his foxes, pine martins and deer are impeccably groomed with no hair out of place and they obviously are posed and frozen in place. Just think what your lizard would look like all scrubbed up and waxed to be shiny!  :p:-)
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A couple of weeks and all that dead brown skin will be gone. Lucky I super glued him to that branch so the waxing will be easier.


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Jan 12, 2018 02:28 |  #7185

Pondrader wrote in post #18538879 (external link)
I could never shoot like that... I would never know where focus was and I try to deal in accurate AF not hopping the camera can catch what I'm looking for.. But it is a thought !! From a wildlife shooters protective viewfinder is the only way. Even using multi point can result is less than satisfactory results. I think the 10 of the 7DII is ok. the 14 of the 7DIII will be even better.

The Servo AI AF tracking in Liveview (dual pixel AF) on the 5D4 is very impressive; though I don't know if it'd keep up with a critter.

You need to publish that book of your photos in order to fund a 1Dx2 with the 200-400 ;)


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