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Jan 27, 2018 11:50 |  #11026

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So buy the cheaper 82mm filters. It turns out that there is very little difference between expensive and cheap CPLs.

https://www.lensrental​s.com …polarizer-filter-article/ (external link)

https://www.lensrental​s.com …-circular-polarizer-post/ (external link)

Maybe a bit better flare performance with the top end coatings on the B&W, but are you shooting into the sun with a CPL on? Anecdotally some folks claim the better multi-coatings are easier to clean, and so you can decide if that's worth ~2.5X the price.

I had read that article before and I'm glad you've reminded us of it. I had that nagging thought I was forgetting something important.

A straight line curve would be ideal, wouldn't it? It makes me question the high transmission filters, like the B+W, as they seem to suppress transmission of the violet and blue spectrum. I'd rather have the flattest line possible. Really piques my interest in the Zeiss T* CPL, as it seems to have the flattest line of those filters tested.


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Jan 27, 2018 12:32 |  #11027

I've got the Marumi and Zeiss CPL, and I honestly cant tell much difference :-P

I dont know CPL rules well enough to use it I know it makes a difference because I've seen and compared shots, but dont do a whole lot of still water shots.


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Jan 27, 2018 12:37 |  #11028

I’ll just go for the b+W I think. Not just for still water but also helps with clouds and general contrast and colour, haze etc


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Jan 27, 2018 12:42 |  #11029

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Thanks Jeffrey, ill have a read

Does anyone know of a photoshop action to allow me to compare centre, mid and corner crops of various layers i.e. if I tripod mount and take a photo at each aperture, then stack as layers in photoshop, is there a quick way to lay out each crop beside each other to compare sharpness at each aperture. I can do this manually but it takes time. Are there any actions available to do this?

The way Phillip Reeve and Fred Miranda compare apertures on lenses, thats what I want to automate

this may or may not help, but if you have a trial of C1, you can view in tile mode and go to 100% in each tile. I find that ultrafast as I dont need to import it anywhere. I do this to quickly check centering and I've used it to resolve disputes with a company that insisted my lens was up to spec. In the end, they folded and got me a new lens. The other company immediately took back another lens as well. These past two years have been particularly bad with lenses, although I've been going through them like mad.

on a happier note, most of my lenses are fairly well centered.


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Jan 27, 2018 12:44 |  #11030

LeeRatters wrote in post #18550168 (external link)
I have Hoya slim I think. No complaints. Obviously cheaper and a smaller size though - 67mm I think.

I also have Hoya filters. Less expensive and seem to hold their own against B&W......at least the ND filters seem to be good.


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Jan 27, 2018 15:50 |  #11031

Ongoing experience coming to Sony A7rIII after over a decade with Canon:

Everyone who wants to neg on Sony says the menu structure sucks. And they are right. I walked through the entire thing in the user guide and actually created an Excel spreadsheet to map out my plans for mapping buttons, Fn button menu, and the 4 pages of "my menu". That's fine, at it is true that once this is done the camera is very functional.

The other point though, is that going back into the full 150+ pages of the main menu system is now basically not something I'm going to do. If I've missed some functionality it will take a forum post or something to alert me to it. And just as a start, it seems like the top tabs could have been so much more. "Camera 1" and "Camera 2" really? So descriptive as to which functions are in which tab.

January isn't a great photography month around here, but I'm playing with the camera. Only having a 28mm lens for the moment is also limiting. I'm not seeing a noticeable difference in images from the greater resolution (this is all against my 5D3) and I do not see a big difference in noise levels above 3200. I did push the hell out of shadows in one shot, and the Sony DR advantage did actually show up there as expected.

One area I was looking for is better AF performance or accuracy. So far I am not seeing it. The AF areas are so huge on the Sony, it is hard to be very precise. Eye-AF appears nice, but I've caught it missing focus by a bit on a few occasions. I obsessively MFA'd my Canon lenses with the 5D3, and at least today I am more accurate with Canon than with the Sony....but that's all very preliminary. I'm only using my one Sony 28mm lens so far. But it isn't magic.

So, still playing. I plan to run the two systems side by side for at least 18 months and see how things shake out.


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Jan 27, 2018 16:27 |  #11032

I bought a Marumi CPL a couple of years ago, I was so pleased I bought a second one when I needed a different size




  
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Jan 27, 2018 16:33 |  #11033

JeffreyG wrote in post #18550313 (external link)
Ongoing experience coming to Sony A7rIII after over a decade with Canon:

Everyone who wants to neg on Sony says the menu structure sucks. And they are right. I walked through the entire thing in the user guide and actually created an Excel spreadsheet to map out my plans for mapping buttons, Fn button menu, and the 4 pages of "my menu". That's fine, at it is true that once this is done the camera is very functional.

The other point though, is that going back into the full 150+ pages of the main menu system is now basically not something I'm going to do. If I've missed some functionality it will take a forum post or something to alert me to it. And just as a start, it seems like the top tabs could have been so much more. "Camera 1" and "Camera 2" really? So descriptive as to which functions are in which tab.

January isn't a great photography month around here, but I'm playing with the camera. Only having a 28mm lens for the moment is also limiting. I'm not seeing a noticeable difference in images from the greater resolution (this is all against my 5D3) and I do not see a big difference in noise levels above 3200. I did push the hell out of shadows in one shot, and the Sony DR advantage did actually show up there as expected.

One area I was looking for is better AF performance or accuracy. So far I am not seeing it. The AF areas are so huge on the Sony, it is hard to be very precise. Eye-AF appears nice, but I've caught it missing focus by a bit on a few occasions. I obsessively MFA'd my Canon lenses with the 5D3, and at least today I am more accurate with Canon than with the Sony....but that's all very preliminary. I'm only using my one Sony 28mm lens so far. But it isn't magic.

So, still playing. I plan to run the two systems side by side for at least 18 months and see how things shake out.

Sounds like it’s not an upgrade for you. Too late to return it and go back to Canon? How about a 5D IV instead?


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Jan 27, 2018 16:36 |  #11034

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Ongoing experience coming to Sony A7rIII after over a decade with Canon:

Everyone who wants to neg on Sony says the menu structure sucks. And they are right. I walked through the entire thing in the user guide and actually created an Excel spreadsheet to map out my plans for mapping buttons, Fn button menu, and the 4 pages of "my menu". That's fine, at it is true that once this is done the camera is very functional.

The other point though, is that going back into the full 150+ pages of the main menu system is now basically not something I'm going to do. If I've missed some functionality it will take a forum post or something to alert me to it. And just as a start, it seems like the top tabs could have been so much more. "Camera 1" and "Camera 2" really? So descriptive as to which functions are in which tab.

January isn't a great photography month around here, but I'm playing with the camera. Only having a 28mm lens for the moment is also limiting. I'm not seeing a noticeable difference in images from the greater resolution (this is all against my 5D3) and I do not see a big difference in noise levels above 3200. I did push the hell out of shadows in one shot, and the Sony DR advantage did actually show up there as expected.

One area I was looking for is better AF performance or accuracy. So far I am not seeing it. The AF areas are so huge on the Sony, it is hard to be very precise. Eye-AF appears nice, but I've caught it missing focus by a bit on a few occasions. I obsessively MFA'd my Canon lenses with the 5D3, and at least today I am more accurate with Canon than with the Sony....but that's all very preliminary. I'm only using my one Sony 28mm lens so far. But it isn't magic.

So, still playing. I plan to run the two systems side by side for at least 18 months and see how things shake out.

I cant comment too much on the Riii, however I have had the Rii for the last 7 months so most of my comments will refer to that. I think as good as the AF is on the A7Riii, the 5D3 still has the edge and only you can decide if it is good enough. For me it is as most of my subjects are fairly stationary (I have the A7Rii not the iii). Where I noticed the difference was the IQ, the files are so much more flexible on the Sony, I have been shocked at how much detail I have pulled back from blown highlights and shadows without adding a load of noise. Speaking of noise I happily push up to 12800 in extreme conditions. The other benefit is the high resolution, you can quite easily crop 50% of the image and still pull details




  
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Jan 27, 2018 16:58 |  #11035

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DJI is on a roll and I'm with you. I can't keep up with all their products. I didn't know about the Obsidian until recently. I listen to Nick's landscape podcast weekly and heard it mentioned there.

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^That is a beautiful image Robert.

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Jan 27, 2018 17:17 |  #11036

David Arbogast wrote in post #18550351 (external link)
Sounds like it’s not an upgrade for you. Too late to return it and go back to Canon? How about a 5D IV instead?

Eh, that isn't really my plan. I'm aware that it's quite likely that I will be negative on any new system for a while given that I have used Canon higher end bodies for over a decade. Unfamiliarity and set ways make it easy to dismiss the new.

My plan is to run an A7rIII with two native primes (28/2 and 55/1.8) and the MC-11 adaptor alongside my Canon gear. I will use the 5D3 for sports, and try to use the Sony for everything else. If I wind up liking the Sony, I will eventually migrate to a complete E-mount system. I'm looking to be open minded. I may make negative posts here, but that isn't intended to be a slam on Sony vs. more of me looking for perspective and help.

My goal here is to identify the places I'm struggling and hopefully folks on this forum can lend a hand and some wisdom. So, OK....the menu system on the Sony is not good. That's a done deal. But what about my concern on the AF?

I'm a little confused in some regards here. The A7rIII multi-point (small) AF selection (IMO) has what I see as still being a gigantic AF point. Does anyone else see this the same way? How do you carefully select what you want to focus on when you are placing this giant green square over the subject?

On a similar note - I have been using eye-AF, but sometimes it seems to me that it grabs the wrong thing. Give me a few and I will get some examples.


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Jan 27, 2018 17:22 |  #11037

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I cant comment too much on the Riii, however I have had the Rii for the last 7 months so most of my comments will refer to that. I think as good as the AF is on the A7Riii, the 5D3 still has the edge and only you can decide if it is good enough. For me it is as most of my subjects are fairly stationary (I have the A7Rii not the iii). Where I noticed the difference was the IQ, the files are so much more flexible on the Sony, I have been shocked at how much detail I have pulled back from blown highlights and shadows without adding a load of noise. Speaking of noise I happily push up to 12800 in extreme conditions. The other benefit is the high resolution, you can quite easily crop 50% of the image and still pull details

Yes, I took a shot today of my son with windows behind him. I did it knowing the shot was trash because with my Canon I would have mounted a flash to balance the windows.

Then I pulled the hell out of it. This is not much of a shot, don't look for beauty here. To me the only thing I noticed here was I could replace flash with extreme DR in a pinch for a snapshot. Still....interesting. I pulled this +95 on the shadows slider in Lightroom.


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Jan 27, 2018 17:37 |  #11038

So how accurate to you all find eye-AF to be?

I have to say, I want to get something other than a wide-angle lens to play with. Soon. But I went out today as it was sunny and (relatively) warm and shot my son playing with his toy drone. I find that eye-AF can miss. I really want to see how this works with longer lenses. What kind of results do you folks tend to find?


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Jan 27, 2018 17:40 |  #11039

JeffreyG wrote in post #18550383 (external link)
Eh, that isn't really my plan. I'm aware that it's quite likely that I will be negative on any new system for a while given that I have used Canon higher end bodies for over a decade. Unfamiliarity and set ways make it easy to dismiss the new.

My plan is to run an A7rIII with two native primes (28/2 and 55/1.8) and the MC-11 adaptor alongside my Canon gear. I will use the 5D3 for sports, and try to use the Sony for everything else. If I wind up liking the Sony, I will eventually migrate to a complete E-mount system. I'm looking to be open minded. I may make negative posts here, but that isn't intended to be a slam on Sony vs. more of me looking for perspective and help.

My goal here is to identify the places I'm struggling and hopefully folks on this forum can lend a hand and some wisdom. So, OK....the menu system on the Sony is not good. That's a done deal. But what about my concern on the AF?

I'm a little confused in some regards here. The A7rIII multi-point (small) AF selection (IMO) has what I see as still being a gigantic AF point. Does anyone else see this the same way? How do you carefully select what you want to focus on when you are placing this giant green square over the subject?

On a similar note - I have been using eye-AF, but sometimes it seems to me that it grabs the wrong thing. Give me a few and I will get some examples.

Just a quick question. I was looking at your Flickr and noticed that most of your shots were of some prom of sporting event or moving subject. With this in mind I would have thought that the A9 would have suited you better. I would have thought the zero blackout would have been an advantage?




  
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Jan 27, 2018 17:50 |  #11040

JeffreyG wrote in post #18550313 (external link)
Ongoing experience coming to Sony A7rIII after over a decade with Canon:

Everyone who wants to neg on Sony says the menu structure sucks. And they are right. I walked through the entire thing in the user guide and actually created an Excel spreadsheet to map out my plans for mapping buttons, Fn button menu, and the 4 pages of "my menu". That's fine, at it is true that once this is done the camera is very functional.

The other point though, is that going back into the full 150+ pages of the main menu system is now basically not something I'm going to do. If I've missed some functionality it will take a forum post or something to alert me to it. And just as a start, it seems like the top tabs could have been so much more. "Camera 1" and "Camera 2" really? So descriptive as to which functions are in which tab.

January isn't a great photography month around here, but I'm playing with the camera. Only having a 28mm lens for the moment is also limiting. I'm not seeing a noticeable difference in images from the greater resolution (this is all against my 5D3) and I do not see a big difference in noise levels above 3200. I did push the hell out of shadows in one shot, and the Sony DR advantage did actually show up there as expected.

One area I was looking for is better AF performance or accuracy. So far I am not seeing it. The AF areas are so huge on the Sony, it is hard to be very precise. Eye-AF appears nice, but I've caught it missing focus by a bit on a few occasions. I obsessively MFA'd my Canon lenses with the 5D3, and at least today I am more accurate with Canon than with the Sony....but that's all very preliminary. I'm only using my one Sony 28mm lens so far. But it isn't magic.

So, still playing. I plan to run the two systems side by side for at least 18 months and see how things shake out.

You'll never really get used to the menus...they're always confusing, but its largely a matter of there being so many functions in the camera that it can be a pain to dig through. The good thing is that once you get your custom keys, fn menu, and my menu options squared away you never really have to dig through the menu. But the times you do need to are always kind of painful because it takes forever to find the function you need.

The 28f2 is a good lens for what it is, but isn't really a lens that will showcase the body IMO. The IQ is so-so with that lens. Also, the micro-focus accuracy becomes more apparent as you shoot at really shallow DOF, and 28f2 isn't terribly shallow. I think you'll see a bigger difference when you adapt your Canon glass over.

Eye-AF is really accurate if your subject is perfectly still or making small movements. For larger movements, there's a bit of latency and you have to time opening the shutter only when the AF point is actually on the eye. The a7rIII is much better than the MKII in this regard, but the same concept applies if your subject is really moving a lot.


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