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Feb 06, 2018 11:59 |  #16

Colin Glover wrote in post #18557719 (external link)
PAYG= Pay As You Go, i.e. there's no contract. You need to put credit (£, $, € etc) on to the sim. This is called Topping Up in the UK. You are usually charged per minute, and for each text message (SMS) you send and you keep it in credit until it is used. Some PAYG Sims give you a set amount of minutes and data/txt but those usually expire 30 days from when you top up.


Thats correct gives people control over what they want to spend on thier phone call time credit.

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Feb 06, 2018 12:01 |  #17

PAYG is known as Prepaid in many countries. (As opposed to Postpaid)


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Feb 06, 2018 12:04 |  #18

It still does not explain how I recieved txt messages on a phone that was not the one set up with my paypal account, if they had just been random cold call messages or calls (like I have had on that phone) that would have been ok, but to have the details about the transactions amount/seller name etc, that is the worrying part.

Its either paypal who are not being secure enough with customers details, or very clever hackers.

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Feb 06, 2018 16:34 |  #19

It's pay as you go here in the states too, it was the original term back in the day, then went to the prepaid term. The phone number was given somewhere, period. There is no other way. You had to supply a phone number to paypal when setting an account, or a backup number in cases of account access. Nobody else is going to know some random phone you have laying around unused that has supposedly never been entered in correspondence or account setup.


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Feb 06, 2018 17:33 |  #20

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It's pay as you go here in the states too, it was the original term back in the day, then went to the prepaid term. The phone number was given somewhere, period. There is no other way. You had to supply a phone number to paypal when setting an account, or a backup number in cases of account access. Nobody else is going to know some random phone you have laying around unused that has supposedly never been entered in correspondence or account setup.


I was discussing this with the wife as we even had a courier send us a text message on the phone we dont use, only thing we can think of if its all legit and no scamming going on, at some point years ago when we got the old phone we dont use, this could have been sat in the memory of online seller/paypal/courier despite us giving them a different number years ago, perhaps thier system messed up and sent out messages to the wrong number of ours.

Still dont understand why the number coming from paypal, when I googled it lots and lots of people where complaining about it being a scam of different sorts.
Dont see how the number can be legit from paypal and a serious widespread scam at the same time.

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Feb 06, 2018 21:11 |  #21

Pagman wrote in post #18557739 (external link)
It still does not explain how I recieved txt messages on a phone that was not the one set up with my paypal account, if they had just been random cold call messages or calls (like I have had on that phone) that would have been ok, but to have the details about the transactions amount/seller name etc, that is the worrying part.

Its either paypal who are not being secure enough with customers details, or very clever hackers.

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How could it be PayPal, when you never gave them that phone #?

What is the # that the texts came from?




  
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Feb 06, 2018 21:46 |  #22

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How could it be PayPal, when you never gave them that phone #?

What is the # that the texts came from?

I will put the number on later today, the wife has the phone on her for the radio and she is asleep, From day one (about 3 years ago) we have had so much junk calls and texts on that phone, even on the very first day of setting up with the phone provider, after a matter of minutes we got an unknown text come through from a cold caller selling thier insurance (thats on a brand new cell phone that was set up and registerd to activate the sim) only minutes before.

We have another cell phone that we use as our main phone all our communications use it, and we get no problems with nuisance calls on it, paypal have the main one as do all others.

We cant remember if we used the other number (where we got the scam texts) ever with paypal or online shop, but for the last couple of years they have all had the main mumber, and No additional or spare numbers.

So if for sake of argument it was paypal for real who text us on the cell phone we dont use, how and why if for the last two years or more we have another number registerd with them, would they use the other number.

Its all just a muddle without any clear answers.

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Feb 07, 2018 07:44 as a reply to  @ Pagman's post |  #23

was the phone Brand New when you got it ?

To start receiving junk SMS soon after setting up, implies the phone may have:

  • been pre-owned and NOT cleared correctly
  • or the Phone Number has be re-used by the provider
  • or the company that sold you the phone is unscrupulous and sold the number (possibly through the darkweb) to a SPAMMING Agent hence the amount of junk and nuisance calls/sms.


Are the Paypal SMS's definitely from PAYPAL they could be from a different number made to look like Paypal - if the transaction has been successful and you already receiving the ordered items then there is no reason why Paypal would need to send you an SMS to confirm the order ? If the messages are genuine from Paypal then they must have the number in their system that you say they don't, you should be able to check this by logging in to Paypal and viewing your account profile and settings.

If a Scammer has the correct name and details of your order then they must be getting this info from somewhere and also know your phone number cannot be random coincidence if they have seller details and transaction correct as well, they could do this with a Trojan type virus on either the machine you used to place the order or even unknowingly on the sellers system. Is it the sellers name and number that you refer to as being well known scammer when you googled ?

Have you checked your systems for Malware and Virus's ?
I recommend you try Malwarebytes (Free or Paid versions) on your laptop/pc to check for unwanted programs and other Malware.

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Feb 07, 2018 08:57 as a reply to  @ birderman's post |  #24

I've never had messages like that from Paypal but have had texts from my bank for both my personal and business accounts when I've used my cards at ATMs outwith my usual areas. In fact just checking my balance in Pisa, Italy resulted in me getting a text from my bank asking if it was indeed me who used the card ( I'm based in Glasgow, Scotland ). Now I think on it I got some last week from my bank after using an ATM in Paisley too which is only a 10 minute train ride from here. Usually they just ask you to reply Y/N to confirm the transactions. So are you sure that the texts were from Paypal and not perhaps from your bank and you maybe registered that mobile with them at some point?


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Feb 07, 2018 09:06 |  #25

This is the originator number where the txt messages came from to my cell phone - 07802000332 if you google this number lots of posts show up about it.


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Feb 07, 2018 09:17 as a reply to  @ Pagman's post |  #26

Interesting, that number also used to the be the message centre number for o2. See this old thread on their community forums.

https://community.o2.c​o.uk …aming-calls-Eu/td-p/21184 (external link)

However that would only show up on someone's bill if they had sent a text whilst roaming rather than show on the recipients phone after getting a text. I think o2 changed the message centre number later on but I could be wrong ( I used to work for them in Data/Tech support but that was years ago.)

I can see a more recent post where the number seems to associated with various scam calls so it wouldn't surprise me if o2 have dropped the ball recently and somehow given access to that number ( or someone is spoofing it? )


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Feb 07, 2018 09:23 |  #27

PMGphotog wrote in post #18558450 (external link)
Interesting, that number also used to the be the message centre number for o2. See this old thread on their community forums.

https://community.o2.c​o.uk …aming-calls-Eu/td-p/21184 (external link)

However that would only show up on someone's bill if they had sent a text whilst roaming rather than show on the recipients phone after getting a text. I think o2 changed the message centre number later on but I could be wrong ( I used to work for them in Data/Tech support but that was years ago.)

I can see a more recent post where the number seems to associated with various scam calls so it wouldn't surprise me if o2 have dropped the ball recently and somehow given access to that number ( or someone is spoofing it? )


But how did that link to my paypal account and transactions.
Its a Tesco mobile phone pay as you go tariff, when purchased the Tesco sim was with the phone only requiring it to be activated.


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Feb 07, 2018 09:26 as a reply to  @ Pagman's post |  #28

Yep, that is the puzzling part I agree...


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Feb 07, 2018 09:31 |  #29

Could be one of two things.

1- Random scammer text, hit your phone at just the right time.

2- You phone is not as clean(unregistered) as you think it is.
-If you have ever used the phone # for 2 factor authentication, Facebook verification, etc
-Do you have apps on it ? most apps have the permission and power to harvest most all info on your phone

The amount of data that phones harvest now days is amazing.. and scary how any old app developer, app cloner, telcom co, can just harvest it and do as they please with it.

I am leaning towards #1 - I don't use paypal, but I don't think they use text messages for communication much. Text scams and spam is very big now because for a very small monthly fee anyone on the globe can get software and service to send thousands of text a day from spoofed numbers.




  
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Feb 07, 2018 09:40 as a reply to  @ Sideshot's post |  #30

The key part here though is, as Pagman stated in his initial post. " 6 Txt messages on the phone supposed from Paypal giving the item price and seller but asking me to reply with a yes or no"

A random scammer wouldn't have access to that info. So in that case the number must be somehow registered with Paypal, or somehow a third party gained access to the transaction info.

What is curious is that the number showing on Pagman's phone should not resolve to an actual mobile phone at all as it's the sms message centre number for contract phones on the o2 UK network.


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