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Feb 08, 2018 07:03 |  #4471

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Yes, you can. 100% This is actually something in the Canon ecosystem that predates the 5D4. I have the same setup on my 7D2. Look on page 502 of the 5D4 user manual:

: Switch to registered AF function
Only while you hold down the depth-of-field preview button or the lens’s AF stop button, you can apply AF with the following settings: AF area selection mode (p.104), Tracking sensitivity (p.132), Acceleration/ deceleration tracking (p.133), AF point auto switching (p.134), Servo 1st image priority (p.136), and Servo 2nd image priority (p.137). Useful when you want to change the AF characteristics during AI Servo AF.
*2: Onthesettingscreen,pre​ssthe<B>buttonto display the detailed settings screen. Turn the <5> or <6> dial to select the function to be registered, then press <0> to add a checkmark [X]. When you select a function and press <0>, you can adjust the setting. By pressing the <L> button, you can revert the settings to their defaults.

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So again, you can set up your * or AF-ON for one shot or AI SERVO with say, 1 single point or 5 point expansion or whatever. Then you can program the DOF preview button for an entirely different set of characteristics that involve all or some of the available settings. I have mine set to keep the same AF characteristics except the AF selection which I have set to a larger AF selection area. And again, you can customize your * and AF-ON in combination with your DOF preview differently for each custom setting dial position (C1, C2, C3) as well as generally for the advanced shooting modes so you'll be able to program more customs AF functions than you're likely to remember. When shooting wildlife it is extremely valuable to be able to track something in AI SERVO while having the ability to move between completely different sets of AF characteristics seamlessly.

Thank you very much for taking the time to explain this. I'll take another look today and see if I can implement. It's pretty daunting trying to keep in mind everything you can customize!

EDIT: yep, totally awesome, just changed the function of my DOF button to switch to Large Zone AF. Really cool, best tip I've learned in a while.


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Feb 08, 2018 07:05 |  #4472

Both my 5D4 and 7D2 are set so the AF-ON os AI Servo kicks in. I select my AF mode and case which is typically single or expansion and case 2. The * button is set for AI Servo, 61/65 point zone and case 6. I toggle back and forth depending on the situation.


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Feb 08, 2018 07:07 |  #4473

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So that is in zone AF for 5 and 6?

I asked in case other try this. iTR only works in zone AF.


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Feb 08, 2018 07:17 |  #4474

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Both my 5D4 and 7D2 are set so the AF-ON os AI Servo kicks in. I select my AF mode and case which is typically single or expansion and case 2. The * button is set for AI Servo, 61/65 point zone and case 6. I toggle back and forth depending on the situation.

Yes, that works well if it suits your needs but keep in mind that the DOF preview can also be used to change characteristics such as sensitivity, accel/decel, point switching, 1st/2nd image priority, etc. selectively without changing you AF point selection at all. This can be very useful for birding or wildlife where you want to keep your AF selection but a tweak to your other settings to the situation. I get this a lot when shooting around feeders when birds are moving in and out of cover or there are multiple species around that are different sizes, move differently and use different cover.


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Feb 08, 2018 20:31 |  #4475

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Yes, that works well if it suits your needs but keep in mind that the DOF preview can also be used to change characteristics such as sensitivity, accel/decel, point switching, 1st/2nd image priority, etc. selectively without changing you AF point selection at all. This can be very useful for birding or wildlife where you want to keep your AF selection but a tweak to your other settings to the situation. I get this a lot when shooting around feeders when birds are moving in and out of cover or there are multiple species around that are different sizes, move differently and use different cover.

I tried many times and I could not get used to using the DOF preview for even checking DOF. Ergonomically that button has never worked for me.


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Feb 09, 2018 04:47 as a reply to  @ digital paradise's post |  #4476

I find it really well placed and of a good size on the 5D4. On the 80D it's a joke of a button, very obscure and hard to reach, I have to use my left hand to engage it.


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Feb 09, 2018 07:01 |  #4477

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Feb 09, 2018 13:12 |  #4478

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Before photography, cars were my thing. They're no longer my thing because there's just no fun in being stuck in traffic every day, or worse yet, behind someone going 10mph under the limit on a perfectly twisty road. And I am cursed because every time I try to mod/repair/maintain the car, without fail something will go wrong and a small operation turns into a bloody nightmare. Too much stress, I loath to even think about attempting stuff anymore. Photography suits me so much better.

I still have my understeery/panicy Subaru STi though :-D Doesn't understeer quite as much since I changed out the sways/springs/shocks/s​teering rack/bushings/shifter/​tires/driveshaft/tune. It'll never feel like an S2k or Miata class of car, but I love the old girl. Can't bring myself to sell, even if I envision all of the awesome glass and 1DXII I could buy with the proceeds :twisted:

Yeah! I've been there, had an 07 wrx, changed sways/coilovers/bushin​gs/3 alignments/4 different tire types, and realized it's just not going to handle corner entry but instead heavily relys on the rear differential to rotate the car mid corner, so slow in, fast out without overdriving the front tires. Worse, the standard wrx's rear diff is simply, garbage, and didn't really rotate the car. I went the route of adding more power, because, I was young and it's easy to have a 20g bolted on + injectors + fuel pump + tune = 344hp/348tq. Enjoyed that for around 3-4 years then 3rd gear self destructed. I was done with it, no more money pit! Firesold for $7k and used that money for a downpayment on a 370z, which is slower from 80+mph, but I have much better compliance, corner entry confidence, and most of all, there's less motivation to put money into it as anything that can make a significant difference is a huge investment/not worth it (so it's an exercise in financial discipline), also, it's made me a more controlled driver, in that, I don't have GOBS of torque with a turbo just begging me to do stupid things! I do find myself pulling over more often, letting traffic get way ahead (ya know, the group that loves rock chips and tail gating on stock brake pads and uninspiring utility vehicles), then hitting the corners without breaking the speed limit or double yellow. That's the last "Fun" there is in driving for me!




  
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Feb 09, 2018 13:19 |  #4479

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I use the 100-400ii + 1.4TC on occasion. AF without the TC is noticeably faster. I also use a 3rd party 150-600. My observations are anecdotal but the 150-600 seems faster than the 100-400/TC combo as well. That said I don't see any reason why the 100-400II + TC would have had any difficulty in your scenario. You had good light and contrast there and the opportunity to focus before the subject moved. Please don't interpret my tone as antagonistic here but I find the declaration of wanting to switch systems due to problems with BIF a little unfortunate. It has been said so many times it is almost at the level of a cliché but it really is true... if you are taking bad shots with any modern camera (particularly the flagship model in any line) it probably isn't the fault of the camera. Before these advanced AF systems even existed people were nailing shots like the one you posted. All you have to do is browse the galleries of entry level bodies to see that just about any modern AF system is sufficiently advanced for a clean shot like that. I shot Nikon for many years. Simultaneously with Canon for several of them. The difference between the two was largely one of ergonomics for me. I encourage you to give Nikon a try. There may be some small thing that makes the difference for you but for the most part they are six of one and half a dozen of the other. In both camps you'll find that people who put in the time and practice get the results. The rest seem content to blame their equipment. There's no magic pill.

I get that completely: The camera was locked on the bird during the entire sequence, then as it dropped, I got 2 shots where the sky was the majority of the backround. Once the majority of the backround switched to the trees, that's where it refocuses, which, in this case, the bird was looking directly at me, so it was a shot that I really wanted, and would require less cropping. About 2 seconds later, it relocked (sort of) back on the bird as it pulled up slightly to look down for prey. I kept the 9 points of focus on the center mass of the bird the entire time, so I'm guessing that if at any minute point of time one of those points is on the trees, then it may select the trees because of contrast?

I regret deleting the out of focus shots, but this was the next one that came back into focus:


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