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6D MKII OWNERS: BOTTOM LINE?

 
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Feb 26, 2018 10:01 |  #31

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18571741 (external link)
The 6d2 ISO 6400 is closely equivalent to the 80d ISO 1600. That is a pretty significant difference all by itself, isn't it?

https://www.dpreview.c​om …766&y=-0.7642195767195769 (external link)


You do realize that there are pull downs?.. if you read the opening paragraph

"Our comparison tool allows you to compare our standard test scene at a variety of camera settings. First select a primary camera from the pull-down list in the gray central panel, then select the camera(s) you’d like to compare it to. Changing the ISO or image mode at the top of the page will affect all the selected cameras. Changing either parameter immediately above one of the zoomed-in previews affects only that specific camera."

so what comes up is not a direct comparison.


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Feb 26, 2018 10:34 |  #32

fordmondeo wrote in post #18572371 (external link)
The bottom line is:

If (insert name) can't take a good picture with a 40d/7d/6d then (insert name) won't take good pictures 6d2.

This post above is one of the more frustrating posts I have read in quite some time. . It makes it seem as if our goal is only to "take a good picture".


Conversely, Team Speed's response, below, is one of the very best posts I've read in quite a while, because it takes into account the fact that many of us are constantly striving to take the very best photos possible.

We care so much about our photos that we are constantly pushing ourselves to improve our results - pushing ourselves as photographers and also pushing our gear to it's limits, which often means upgrading to more capable technology.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18572461 (external link)
So when somebody would like to know what the new model of a minivan has going for it from the 5 year old version of the minivan they currently have, and somebody else says "if you can't take a road trip with what you have, then you can't take a road trip with the new one", how exactly is that helpful?

I get a little tired of the sanctimonious reply that if you can't always get good results with what you have now, then newer bodies can't help you. How is that helpful? Sometimes newer tools (body and glass) can indeed make a huge improvement in the results you receive, depending on what you shoot.

- You aren't going to take a good shot of a low light drama event with a a 40D, but can now with a 6D, because AF is now much better in low light and high ISO is quite a bit better.

- You aren't going to shoot a swallow darting around in the air with a 40D and get alot of keepers, but with newer bodies with great AF, your keeper rate will be better, and details in the underside of the bird will be crisper once you push the exposure there a bit afterwards.

- You aren't going to be able to put a 1.4x on a 100-400 and go out to shoot wildlife very well with a 40D in less than sunny conditions, but will with a newer body that has all f8 focusing points, or at least the center.

When I hear people say this, this just sounds like perhaps they shoot things that are very easy and comfortable and don't push themselves to shoot those things that are very challenging. Capabilities like better AF in lower light with better high ISO results with enough resolution to be cropped while still being able to print large can really make a difference, where a newer body may bring these traits to the table over an older one.

I don't intend on sounding harsh, but when somebody wants to compare one tool to another, let's try to answer the question, and not belittle them with "it's not your tools, it's you" responses.

Here is a camera from 5 years ago, compared to a camera now, shooting the same venue, year after year, today's results are better due to the camera, not the photographer. ;)

I quoted all of this because I think it is a wonderful explanation of the photographers needs, and how better gear can better meet those needs.

I took a lot of good pictures with my 50D and my 5D. . I even took a lot of excellent pictures with my 50D and 5D. . But now that I use a 1D4 and a 6D, I can take even more good/excellent pictures.

My goal is to come back from a shoot with as many excellent photos as possible, not just a few excellent photos. . The better cameras that I have upgraded to allow me to take good/excellent photos in conditions where my 50D and 5D would have failed me, so the upgrades have definitely allowed me to accomplish my objectives more than my 50D and 5D allowed me to.


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"Your" and "you're" are different words with completely different meanings - please use the correct one.
"They're", "their", and "there" are different words with completely different meanings - please use the correct one.
"Fare" and "fair" are different words with completely different meanings - please use the correct one. The proper expression is "moot point", NOT "mute point".

  
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Jun 10, 2018 06:48 |  #33

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18572606 (external link)
This post above is one of the more frustrating posts I have read in quite some time. . It makes it seem as if our goal is only to "take a good picture".

Conversely, Team Speed's response, below, is one of the very best posts I've read in quite a while, because it takes into account the fact that many of us are constantly striving to take the very best photos possible.

We care so much about our photos that we are constantly pushing ourselves to improve our results - pushing ourselves as photographers and also pushing our gear to it's limits, which often means upgrading to more capable technology.

I quoted all of this because I think it is a wonderful explanation of the photographers needs, and how better gear can better meet those needs.

I took a lot of good pictures with my 50D and my 5D. . I even took a lot of excellent pictures with my 50D and 5D. . But now that I use a 1D4 and a 6D, I can take even more good/excellent pictures.

My goal is to come back from a shoot with as many excellent photos as possible, not just a few excellent photos. . The better cameras that I have upgraded to allow me to take good/excellent photos in conditions where my 50D and 5D would have failed me, so the upgrades have definitely allowed me to accomplish my objectives more than my 50D and 5D allowed me to.

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Hear, Hear!

There is a time and place for that suggestion but rarely is in a thread about equipment comparisons. Not quite as bad but still annoying is a when someone chirps in with a much higher dollar equipment suggestion when it has been made clear the budget doesn't allow for it and never will.

Hi would like to compare this Yugo and Chevette that fit my budget
have you considered this Mercedes?


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Jun 10, 2018 08:37 |  #34

kermit4u wrote in post #18642413 (external link)
Not quite as bad but still annoying is a when someone chirps in with a much higher dollar equipment suggestion when it has been made clear the budget doesn't allow for it and never will.

Totally agree with that. When I bought my 6D, the purchase of the 5D MKIII was an option. But, for me, the 6D was perfect and I saved a bunch of money. When I purchased the 6D MKII, a 5D MKIII 9or MKIV) just wasn't an option financially, yet a lot of people recommended it. I had "X" amount of money to put towards a new body, and that was it.

Having purchased the 6D MKII, I can say that I, and my clients, are happy with the results I produce with it...


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Jun 10, 2018 19:24 |  #35

Two things that haven't been mentioned here are:
1. Spot Autofocus in addition to single point
2. Exposure compensation in manual mode

Just got the 6D II last week and have the 6D. I considered it a good upgrade. Bundle from B&H with Canon grip, bag, 64GB card and extra battery. I plan on keeping the 6D, too.


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