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Sony A9: Is Canon doomed ?

 
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Feb 26, 2018 21:38 |  #1261

Change the thread title to A9 doomed lol


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Feb 26, 2018 21:39 |  #1262

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18572764 (external link)
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I thought that some publicly traded companies have at times sacrificed some short-term profits in order to set themselves up for greater long term gains.

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None that are listed on the NYSE, I bet!
The Nikkei Index companies, I bet some have done so.


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Feb 26, 2018 22:21 |  #1263

Wilt wrote in post #18573063 (external link)
And the high end sports shooter is not the 'mass market'. Your point?

My point is you sell more units of $1900 camera than units of $4500 camera. Forget WHO the target is.
The A9 was a 'statement camera' for Sony, to show off what technology could accomplish (at a price). Kudos to them for that statement.

You said $1900 is more appealing than $4500 to “the market”. My point is the high end sports market is not that price sensitive and i’d say the $1900 camera is not appealing at all to the sports market.

We are talking about two totally different markets with totally different camera requirements and totally different price points. So this “the market” you talk about is not the market targeted by the A9 do obviously it does not appeal to your “the market”.




  
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Feb 26, 2018 22:24 |  #1264

rantercsr wrote in post #18573173 (external link)
yes .. maybe not doom .. but certainly some sales slow downs..

rantercsr wrote in post #18573173 (external link)
yes .. maybe not doom .. but certainly some sales slow downs..

I have my doubts about how close the AF is between the A9 and A7iii. I also have my doubts of the 15 stop DR...but time will tell. Specs are easy to create, harder to live up to.




  
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Feb 26, 2018 23:51 |  #1265

Hogloff wrote in post #18573230 (external link)
You said $1900 is more appealing than $4500 to “the market”. My point is the high end sports market is not that price sensitive and i’d say the $1900 camera is not appealing at all to the sports market.

We are talking about two totally different markets with totally different camera requirements and totally different price points. So this “the market” you talk about is not the market targeted by the A9 do obviously it does not appeal to your “the market”.

A9 was just a proof of concept. No supertelephoto lenses yet, no big game support staff, afterthought features (Lan and wireless function wasn’t designed for press use, just a checkbox design). It’s mainly just a wedding and silent shooting camera.

It’s a nice camera. Just not nice enough to switch systems or shoot sports yet.

A7III is starting to look nice for play money compared to Fuji. Will have to read up more about it.


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Feb 27, 2018 00:38 as a reply to  @ Hogloff's post |  #1266

'The market' of cameras is the total market, just as 'the market' for automobiles is the total market.
Whether we are talking inexpensive cameras or automobiles, far more inexpensive goods are sold than expensive goods in the total market.
That is why 40 Million Toyota Carollas have been sold, or 851K per year. while the Mercedes C-class sold 257K per year.
Both cars appeal to two different price points, in the total market. One market segment is very clearly large in unit volume than the other. Cars or cameras.

This very thread poses the question if an EXPENSIVE camera model spells the demise of an entire BRAND! What goes around comes around, it seems once again.


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Feb 27, 2018 12:46 |  #1267

Wasn't there a report of Sony 400mm f2.8 out at the winter Olympics?


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Feb 27, 2018 13:24 |  #1268

Wilt wrote in post #18573297 (external link)
'The market' of cameras is the total market, just as 'the market' for automobiles is the total market.
Whether we are talking inexpensive cameras or automobiles, far more inexpensive goods are sold than expensive goods in the total market.
That is why 40 Million Toyota Carollas have been sold, or 851K per year. while the Mercedes C-class sold 257K per year.
Both cars appeal to two different price points, in the total market. One market segment is very clearly large in unit volume than the other. Cars or cameras.

This very thread poses the question if an EXPENSIVE camera model spells the demise of an entire BRAND! What goes around comes around, it seems once again.

There is a bit of hedge bets going on with upper models, with many expecting trickle down tech to lower models, which is why the A7rii and A9 are such important cameras. They offer insight into what can be done with mirrorless cameras, and a short time later, the A7r mark 3 and A7 mark 3 get introduced with all the missing stuff here and there, a total package sort of like the 5D mark 3, but at different price points.

5D users were excited when the 1dx mark 2 came out with improved low iso performance, it would trickle to the eventual 5D iv.

I can expect a revised A9 within two years I think, the latest model cameras have a stellar mechanical shutter for flash photography, and the A9 should inherit that among other things.

bobbyz wrote in post #18573694 (external link)
Wasn't there a report of Sony 400mm f2.8 out at the winter Olympics?

yes, an older PJ was using and even posted some samples. Production model should be released this year sometime.


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Feb 28, 2018 08:28 |  #1269

I had a tough time picking but just went ahead and ordered the A7RIII. I could of picked up a A9 used for just a little bit more but in the end I looked at the total package and don't want to be hurt for flash photography. I think the A73 will be one heck of a camera for sure.

Finally took the plunge.... Need to buy a few sony lenses and an adapter for my sigma glass. I"ll send my sigma glass off to get converted.

I'm in a HUGE turmoil on what to do with my 200/2. It's not just my portrait lens it's my sports lens but adapted sony gets limited to 3fps. Sony and nobody else offers anything remotely close to the 200/2. I'm in love with this lens.

I can adapt it for now... deal with the 3fps for sports... or just get the sony 70-200 and deal with 2.8.


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Feb 28, 2018 08:38 |  #1270

DaviSto wrote in post #18342520 (external link)
Talley is doomed.

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18342540 (external link)
Hey!

That's my line!

DaviSto wrote in post #18342550 (external link)
Whoops ... sorry. I got carried away!

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Feb 28, 2018 09:14 |  #1271

ya'll suck  :p

I'm finally gonna try Sony :oops:

I need to tell the wife to lock the accounts!


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Feb 28, 2018 09:17 |  #1272

bobbyz wrote in post #18573694 (external link)
Wasn't there a report of Sony 400mm f2.8 out at the winter Olympics?

I'm buying that lens.

It looks alot smaller than the canon version. To me looks like it'll be around 7.5-8lbs.

Gonna save up now: https://www.bhphotovid​eo.com …ny_fe_400mm_f_2​_8_gm.html (external link)


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Feb 28, 2018 09:24 |  #1273

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ya'll suck  :p

I'm finally gonna try Sony :oops:

I need to tell the wife to lock the accounts!

I like how in your other thread you said the Mk IV would be a ten year body.

That's like me saying I'm finally going to get the basment cleaned up and organized.


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Feb 28, 2018 10:24 |  #1274

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18574387 (external link)
I like how in your other thread you said the Mk IV would be a ten year body.

That's like me saying I'm finally going to get the basment cleaned up and organized.

10 canon years is like 2 sony years  :p

hopefully the Sigma EF to E conversion works well, I'm darn near the end of my "core" lens collection, all the other stuff in addition to my core set will be toys.

Close to a decade shooting the 135L and now the 135A, I just love it, and if sigma can offer native AF features BETTER than metabones and MC-11, I'll be a really happy camper.

Small 35 f2 search is seemingly my last "core" item I'de look for. I dont have much angst with either lenses as I have a solid workarounds.


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Feb 28, 2018 10:44 |  #1275

Talley wrote in post #18574353 (external link)
I'm in a HUGE turmoil on what to do with my 200/2. It's not just my portrait lens it's my sports lens but adapted sony gets limited to 3fps. Sony and nobody else offers anything remotely close to the 200/2. I'm in love with this lens.

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Why not just keep using it with the body you are using it with now?

Just because we add a new body to our arsenal doesn't mean that we have to stop using the bodies that we already have, does it?


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