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You've got no gear at all - Would you get a 5DMKIV or D850

 
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Feb 19, 2018 00:01 |  #286

Canon.

TS-E 17mm. period.

And 400 DO II. I'd miss that too.

Plus if you don't like Canon DR, you can always get a used Sony for landscapes and use the Canon lenses. Actually that might be my next camera. Why get a 5DIV for the extra DR and MP, when I'd need that for landscapes on a tripod using LV anyway. Might as well get an A7rII or III.


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Feb 19, 2018 14:44 |  #287

Is the present owner of a 5DIII and a 1Dx plus somewhere between 15-20 lenses (All L's except for my 50 F1.4 and 85 1.8, I would go with the Nikon.


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Feb 21, 2018 16:50 |  #288

My line up of lenses thus far from my change over to buying the Nikon D850 is -

Nikkor AF-S 50mm f/1.4G
Nikkor AF-S Micro 105mm f/2.8G IF-ED VR
Nikkor AF-S 14-24mm f/2.8G ED IF
Nikkor AF-S 24-70mm f2.8E ED VR
Nikkor AF-S 70-200mm f/2.8E FL ED VR
Nikkor AF-S 200-500mm f5.6E ED VR

Has taken me a while to get used to the F mount lens unscrewing and screwing on in the opposite direction, but I am loving the ergonomics of everything Nikon.


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Feb 28, 2018 00:46 |  #289

I am going to change my option and go for this,


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Feb 28, 2018 02:10 |  #290

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I am going to change my option and go for this,

For me yuck.


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Mar 23, 2018 08:35 |  #291

Are you having Sony any thoughts? I would switch over to Sony in a heart beat if I don't already have a collection of Canon lenses.




  
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Mar 23, 2018 08:45 |  #292

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Are you having Sony any thoughts? I would switch over to Sony in a heart beat if I don't already have a collection of Canon lenses.

Adapt them


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Mar 23, 2018 09:58 |  #293

mystik610 wrote in post #18592236 (external link)
Adapt them

Arent adapters a second best choice..? I’ve read bunches that they just don’t do the job well enough.


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Mar 23, 2018 10:06 |  #294

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Arent adapters a second best choice..? I’ve read bunches that they just don’t do the job well enough.

It depends on what your need are. Long telephoto for sports and wildlife, then no.

But I'm using an adapted 24-70II and EF mount Sigma 135 for weddings and posed portraiture and it's working fine on the a7riii and a9. I recently rented the 50L and 35LII and they both worked well too


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Mar 23, 2018 10:17 |  #295

mystik610 wrote in post #18592271 (external link)
It depends on what your need are. Long telephoto for sports and wildlife, then no.

But I'm using an adapted 24-70II and EF mount Sigma 135 for weddings and posed portraiture and it's working fine on the a7riii and a9. I recently rented the 50L and 35LII and they both worked well too

That’s good.

Would a native lens perform comparatively better?? Maybe ByThom has some info.

This may be diving too deep. I’ve been Nikon for years and the higher pixel counts seems to make my older Nikon glass not perform as well.. not bad but.. I do fine tune. Newer just lenses seem a bit better. I’m no scientist.

That’s why MF glass is so expensive. Higher quality glass is needed for all that film/pixel real estate.

For my old Nikon DX D300 my fav portrait lens is the ancient 35-70 f2.8. Not sure how it would work on the D850.

Will be getting a D850 but with a new set of glass if the old ones fail to perform.


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Mar 23, 2018 10:34 |  #296

Angmo wrote in post #18592276 (external link)
That’s good.

Would a native lens perform comparatively better?? Maybe ByThom has some info.

This may be diving too deep. I’ve been Nikon for years and the higher pixel counts seems to make my older Nikon glass not perform as well.. not bad but.. I do fine tune. Newer just lenses seem a bit better. I’m no scientist.

That’s why MF glass is so expensive. Higher quality glass is needed for all that film/pixel real estate.

For my old Nikon DX D300 my fav portrait lens is the ancient 35-70 f2.8. Not sure how it would work on the D850.

Will be getting a D850 but with a new set of glass if the old ones fail to perform.

Native glass is better, but with the AF improvement in the newer bodies, the difference is pretty narrow for a lot of glass. It's so close that other considerations draw me to choose non native glass over the native alternative. In the case of the 24-70, I had the GMaster for a bit, but preferred the rendering of the Canon intended to sell, and sold the Sony instead.

Higher resolution bodies really do make you more critical of older lenses. I've always had an infatuation with the 50L from when I owned one in my canon days and was considering adding it back to my kit.... But shooting it next to modern glass, the 50L no longer holds its own... Even as a character lens. The 35LII is a really nice piece of glass though. Higher resolution bodies also call more attention to microfocus errors so there's that too.

For manual focus glass, the MF assists in mirrorless come in handy.


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Mar 23, 2018 11:44 |  #297

If I were not so heavily invested in canon

D850 all the way

Going to likely get the Sony A7111

I get to play with one next month. All depends on how my L lens work with that Sigma adapter and how well the servo works

I am a 35 year Canon user. Really disappointed with how canon is keeping up with Sony and Nikon

I have the 1Dx2 and im darn glad to have it, I like the 5D4 a lot

But make no mistake about it

The Nikon D5 is a better camera than the 1Dx2.....by a full stop and it has an outstanding AF system

The Sony A7111 appears to perform better than the 5D4 in many areas especially with native glass

And canon is NOT EVEN REMOTELY IN THE BALLPARK with the D850 v/s a 7D2 and the new update rumors are not promising

Sigma primes are huge for Nikon shooters, The Lighting systems are there now for the Sony systems

So unless canon is willing to remove their heads. I think you will see guys like me willing to jump ship

Sony A7111 has my full attention right now. I need to update a body and this time it might not be the 5D4


WAKE UP CANON ESPECIALLY WITH THE CROP SENSOR. WTF ARE YOU DOING HERE TO YOUR CLIENT BASE

NO BRAINER D850 over the 5D4 with whats available now for lighting and Sigma...absolute No Brainer


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Mar 24, 2018 09:36 |  #298

D850 over the 5D4.

Everyone saying Canon over Nikon due to lenses must not have tried their newer ED & FL lineup. Just because you have more lenses, doesn't make them better lenses. Not saying Canon doesn't make good lenses but so does Nikon and the D850 is a better camera in almost every aspect. My only reservation with Nikon would be their financial long term viability. Poor upper management it seems.

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 105mm f/1.4E ED
Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 28mm f/1.4E ED
Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24mm f/1.4G ED
Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 70-200mm f/2.8E FL ED VR
Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8E ED VR

And, then there are the classics:

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 58mm f/1.4G
Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 85mm f/1.4G
Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 14-24mm f/2.8G ED


  
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Mar 24, 2018 10:44 |  #299

eth3rton wrote in post #18592963 (external link)
D850 over the 5D4.

Everyone saying Canon over Nikon due to lenses must not have tried their newer ED & FL lineup. Just because you have more lenses, doesn't make them better lenses. Not saying Canon doesn't make good lenses but so does Nikon and the D850 is a better camera in almost every aspect. My only reservation with Nikon would be their financial long term viability. Poor upper management it seems.

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 105mm f/1.4E ED
Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 28mm f/1.4E ED
Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24mm f/1.4G ED
Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 70-200mm f/2.8E FL ED VR
Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8E ED VR

And, then there are the classics:

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 58mm f/1.4G
Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 85mm f/1.4G
Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 14-24mm f/2.8G ED

Have you tried Nikon’s 8-15 E?? Wow. Fisheye to full frame zoom.

And yep. nothing compares to their FLs


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Mar 24, 2018 11:30 |  #300

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So unless canon is willing to remove their heads. I think you will see guys like me willing to jump ship

"remove their heads" ........... I have never seen this expression used before.

I Googled it, and what came up on the first page were sites that talk about removing cylinder heads, cutting all of ones hair off, and tick removal ...... none of which fit the context in which you used the phrase.

Could you please explain what it means?

Also, is this something that you just made up, or is it a common expression? . I am thinking that if it was in common use, i would have found something pertinent when I Googled it.

I am also wondering about your use of a period after "heads". . Based on the surrounding context, it seems that a comma would normally be used there. . Perhaps your use of unconventional punctuation (ending a sentence before you complete it) provides some insight into what you mean with your unique expression.


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