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Mar 04, 2018 20:11 |  #13006

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so, usually when I am starting to edit a set of photos from an outing...I am pretty good at deciding which ones I like and which ones I will edit...every now and then I can't decide...I have settled on two images from my trip to the Lake on Tuesday morning, I have one of them almost done and one of them...I can't decide between the LE and the standard...

on one hand, the standard has good texture in the water that is unique to that morning, it was so windy that there were waves on a normally calm fresh water lake, the clouds are frozen in time and present well. I am not thrilled about the position of the clouds right behind the tree...

On the other hand...the LE has an ethereal feel to it, just a little texture in the water, the color was already fading by the time I got it setup, and I didn't go long enough and the clouds are just a little bit streaked...

shot with the 70-200 GM at 135MM...more than plenty sharp! And the tree was off center in the frame, its cropped a good bit to be square.

Neither are my favorite image from the outing...I might not even finish the edit...I am trying to be much more selective about what I edit...I really wish I had some better locations to work with...
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I think I prefer the image on the right. The wave action is a bit too distracting in the image on the left in my opinion.


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Mar 04, 2018 20:16 |  #13007

TRhoads wrote in post #18577644 (external link)
so, usually when I am starting to edit a set of photos from an outing...I am pretty good at deciding which ones I like and which ones I will edit...every now and then I can't decide...I have settled on two images from my trip to the Lake on Tuesday morning, I have one of them almost done and one of them...I can't decide between the LE and the standard...

on one hand, the standard has good texture in the water that is unique to that morning, it was so windy that there were waves on a normally calm fresh water lake, the clouds are frozen in time and present well. I am not thrilled about the position of the clouds right behind the tree...

On the other hand...the LE has an ethereal feel to it, just a little texture in the water, the color was already fading by the time I got it setup, and I didn't go long enough and the clouds are just a little bit streaked...

shot with the 70-200 GM at 135MM...more than plenty sharp! And the tree was off center in the frame, its cropped a good bit to be square.

Neither are my favorite image from the outing...I might not even finish the edit...I am trying to be much more selective about what I edit...I really wish I had some better locations to work with...

I would combine the sky on the left with the long exposure shot on the right.


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Mar 04, 2018 20:18 |  #13008

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Lately I've been delving into comparing LR and C1 and it's sort of frustrating. I was hoping to try to process a raw that came out looking the same from both applications, but I failed. I could get kind of close, but colors are difference. Tones are different. Highlight/shadow recovery is different.As you can see below, C1 does a better job at highlight recovery, however LR seems to lift shadows a little more (see lower right corner).

Another way that C1 excels over LR is how it handles highlight/shadow recovery. Look at the sky in the LR image. See the large halo between the sky and trees and awning? C1 handles it more evenly - I'm not seeing halos there. That haloing in LR will be amplified if you touch the clarity slider.

Don't get me wrong. I think both apps are superb. And there are aspects of the LR render I prefer. For instance I really like the diaphanous look of the filtered light through the green leaves in LR better - the C1 image looks flat there. And LR's toolset for removing the purple green fringing from the FE 35mm @ 1.4 is much better. But, then look at that extra detail that C1 is resolving in the paving - LR is just throwing that away. No amount of pushing sliders around in LR could get me the detail that C1 was providing. This really feels like a pick-your-favorite-poison. However, I do think I can supplement the C1 image with regional edits to offset it's shortcomings, but I can't recover the detail that LR is throwing away. So, C1 seems like it's the best choice for me.

This was with the Sony Distagon 35mm 1.4 ZA btw:
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the other day i tried to match the color from c1 on the LR by adjusting the camera calibration and set it as default. I opened the same file in both softwares. I also set the sharpness higher but made sure i look at it at 100% to avoid producing artifacts. it works for me now. I like the workflow of LR better so I stayed with LR. To set the default to your own style, crank it up to your liking and then hold the alt/option on your keyboard , it will turn the "Reset" button into "Set Default" try it.


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Mar 04, 2018 20:39 |  #13009

vinmunoz wrote in post #18577734 (external link)
the other day i tried to match the color from c1 on the LR by adjusting the camera calibration and set it as default. I opened the same file in both softwares. I also set the sharpness higher but made sure i look at it at 100% to avoid producing artifacts. it works for me now. I like the workflow of LR better so I stayed with LR. To set the default to your own style, crank it up to your liking and then hold the alt/option on your keyboard , it will turn the "Reset" button into "Set Default" try it.

I guess POTN had a problem with me posting the 100% detail comparison. I just reloaded it at 1024px instead of 1280px. Look at all that detail that LR is just blowing a way. I can approximate that in LR if I lower the exposure to -.5 EV, but then it destroys the overall exposure. I think the most successful workaround in LR, in that case, is to use the adj brush locally (lower the exposure & highlights/raise the shadows), but my comparison was just limited to global edits.


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Mar 04, 2018 20:48 |  #13010

David Arbogast wrote in post #18577750 (external link)
I guess POTN had a problem with me posting the 100% detail comparison. I just reloaded it at 1024px instead of 1280px. Look at all that detail that LR is just blowing a way. I can approximate that in LR if I lower the exposure to -.5 EV, but then it destroys the overall exposure. I think the most successful workaround in LR, in that case, is to use the adj brush locally (lower the exposure & highlights/raise the shadows), but my comparison was just limited to global edits.

is that detail or noise? I looked at it when it was full size, and in full size it is not that appealing to the eye...just curious.


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Mar 04, 2018 20:55 |  #13011

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is that detail or noise? I looked at it when it was full size, and in full size it is not that appealing to the eye...just curious.

It's a full sun capture at f/1.4...so there isn't any noise. ;)

Yes, I agree it looks crappy - it's the brick paver texture that's OOF. And I'd suggest that C1 is exacerbating the crappiness because it's rendering it with a lot of contrast. When I recover the detail in LR via adj brush the detail is much less contrasty and less visually jarring.

However, if I play the local edit game, then I can likewise do that in C1 and get it looking much better there as well.

I'm not loving the halos in the sky on the LR version. Also, look how smudgy the trees are in the LR version. That said, I'm open to the idea that the LR version looks better.


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Mar 04, 2018 21:01 |  #13012

David Arbogast wrote in post #18577765 (external link)
It's a full sun capture at f/1.4...so there isn't any noise. ;)

Yes, I agree it looks crappy - it's the brick paver texture that's OOF. And I'd suggest that C1 is exacerbating the crappiness because it's rendering it with a lot of contrast. When I recover the detail in LR via adj brush the detail is much less contrasty and less visually jarring.

However, if I play the local edit game, then I can likewise do that in C1 and get it looking much better there as well.

I'm not loving the halos in the sky on the LR version. Also, look how smudgy the trees are in the LR version.

I knew it was bright sun, but recovering too much detail from something either by highlights or shadow recovery can lead to noise too...less often in bright spots, but my experience with C1 is still very limited...

I did this same experiment with an image in 2016, it was a waterfall, the process was much like yours, except that I edited the same file to completion, with the starting point being LR and C1 and then finished in PS. ...I found that highlight recovery was better with LR, as you saw greens and light through trees seemed better in LR, getting WB and some of the tones right was better in C1...I just can't get a grip on the UI in C1...


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Mar 04, 2018 21:14 |  #13013

So here is the LR detail-recovery via adj brush (Exposure -1.13, Highlights -100, Shadows +80). This recovers all the detail, but does it in a less jarring way than the C1 global edit.

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Mar 04, 2018 21:29 |  #13014

David Arbogast wrote in post #18577779 (external link)
So here is the LR detail-recovery via adj brush (Exposure -1.13, Highlights -100, Shadows +80). This recovers all the detail, but does it in a less jarring way than the C1 global edit.

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Mar 04, 2018 21:34 |  #13015

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Me learning---- what causes the red mortar between the bricks and the red outline on the furniture?

Color aberrations from the FE 35mm 1.4...this is that lens’ major shortcoming imo. If this were an important image I’d have applied more effort to elimination all traces of the aberrant color, but this was just a study to show the two raw processors and how they handle tonal issues.

It’s an overall a crappy image...good enough for medical experiments...but I don’t do these experiments on good images. :)


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Mar 05, 2018 00:11 |  #13016

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I would combine the sky on the left with the long exposure shot on the right.

That gets my vote too


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Mar 05, 2018 00:20 |  #13017

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Sure - Lake Superior Provincial Park, just 85km north of Sault Ste. Marie Ontario. One of my favorite places anywhere and just 7.5 hours drive from my house.

Or did you mean now, this time of year? :oops:


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Mar 05, 2018 00:56 |  #13018

The A99 that I am selling with the extras.

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Mar 05, 2018 03:39 |  #13020

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hi MM yep but I've used it with sensor cleans with great outcome. it might be a marketing statement or something to make sure liabilities are controlled.


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