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Jun 05, 2017 23:32 |  #1

Just curious what your thoughts are on this product?

https://www.kickstarte​r.com …a-assistant-0?ref=popular (external link)

From dpreview (external link)...

Photographers are given a live preview of the scene through the mobile app, as well as manual control over aperture, ISO, and shutter speed. You can focus by tapping on your phone's touchscreen as well, or tap multiple points and Arsenal will ensure they're all focused. Arsenal also supports advanced camera functions, like automated photo stacking for HDR images, focus stacking, long exposures without the need for ND filters, and time lapse creation. The resulting Raw files are saved directly to the camera.

Interesting concept, especially for beginning photographers.


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Jun 06, 2017 01:16 |  #2

WebDevGuy wrote in post #18372036 (external link)
Just curious what your thoughts are on this product?

https://www.kickstarte​r.com …a-assistant-0?ref=popular (external link)

Being able to use your smartphone to take the shot and zoom in to preview the pic, etc... might be a useful feature, even for advanced photographers. Interesting concept nonetheless.

being able to use your smartphone to take a shot and review is available on anything with wifi...it seems like an improved auto mode


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Jun 06, 2017 01:39 |  #3

"Set camera controls from your smart phone!" Whaaa??? I've never found setting camera controls from my CAMERA all that challenging. Seems pointless to me. The only thing it allows me to do is something I can just as (more) easily do without it. Rube Goldberg at its finest.


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Jun 06, 2017 05:17 |  #4

Looks to me like they have repackaged the TPLink Wifi device, and added their own remote control software. Not the first time that this has been done. I think it's the Camlink that has already done this, it is only the software that seems "different". For the cheapskate who wants the wifi wireless remote on the cheap, then just get the TPLink device, do the firmware update, and use the control software of your choice.

I can see plenty of reasons to have a fully functional wireless remote control system that incorporates streaming the LV feed. Much easier if you need to place a camera in a relatively remote inaccessible location, then physically accessing the camera to adjust the settings. What I'm really not sure about is the AI aspect of it. Those are the skills a photographer should be developing, how to use their tools to the optimum effect to achieve the best result. Not just rely on an AI to do it for them.

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Jun 07, 2017 14:14 |  #5

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What I'm really not sure about is the AI aspect of it. Those are the skills a photographer should be developing, how to use their tools to the optimum effect to achieve the best result. Not just rely on an AI to do it for them.

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Say you wanted to set up a half dozen cameras around an event/show location, with changing light conditions, and manually trip them from a remote location.

How would you suggest you manually adjust your settings on a camera on the fly to address something like a spot light moving back and forth across the scene and still be able to get multiple angles (which may have different lighting) captured at the touch of a single button?

Just because a tool isn't always the best for every task does not make it a useless tool. Not much use for a chainsaw in a kitchen, but I would sure hate to try taking down an old oak tree with my butcher's knife.


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Jun 07, 2017 14:17 as a reply to  @ Luckless's post |  #6

Dag nabit!


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Jun 08, 2017 07:46 |  #7

I wish the developer, and all entrepreneurs, the best of luck.

However, as stated in the OP is does seem best suited for beginning photographers... i.e., simplistic.

It helps people conquer such demons as:

subject motion (shorten the shutter speed)
high depth of field (increase aperture)
waves (water motion - lengthen shutter)
wind shake (shorten shutter)

and so forth.

Demons? Hard? Not really. Stuff that even a slightly experienced photog does automatically and doesn't even have to think about. So, yea - not for experienced photogs but I'm sure there is a niche. Just not for me.


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Mar 07, 2018 10:01 |  #8

So has anybody ordered one of these things yet? Just wondering what your thoughts are. Maybe it hasn't shipped any yet. I thought I read somewhere it would ship first quarter of this year.




  
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Mar 07, 2018 10:30 |  #9

Why not just get a TPLink MR3040, flash the custom rom onto it (very easy) and just use DSLRController app?


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Mar 07, 2018 10:43 |  #10

Nascar Nut wrote in post #18579674 (external link)
So has anybody ordered one of these things yet? Just wondering what your thoughts are. Maybe it hasn't shipped any yet. I thought I read somewhere it would ship first quarter of this year.

https://witharsenal.co​m/ (external link)

look at the pricing, it suggests an april ship date.

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Why not just get a TPLink MR3040, flash the custom rom onto it (very easy) and just use DSLRController app?

last time i looked at dslr controller (a while back) it was android only.

it also wasn't as full featured or with such a clean interface.

have those things changed?

The Arsenal, looks pretty slick, lots of features, and I suspect full support too. Doesn't seem like a beginner tool to me.


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Mar 07, 2018 14:36 as a reply to  @ Left Handed Brisket's post |  #11

I think there are other apps (like dslrdashboard) or ways to use the TPLink router to see photos and remote control it. In any case, $50 will get a pretty good Android tablet just to run this app. For less than $100, you could have the router and the app on a tablet (or Android phone even).


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Mar 08, 2018 18:55 |  #12

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The Arsenal, looks pretty slick, lots of features, and I suspect full support too. Doesn't seem like a beginner tool to me.

i think it's being marketed directly towards beginners...the whole idea is that you let the app do all the work, and you just sit back and get great photos...the app is supposed to analyze the scene, and decide when to take the best photo...what settings to use, all kinds of b.s...people that have been taking photos for a while, probably know what settings to use for different shots, so what benefit would it be for someone that already knows the ins and outs of photography?


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Mar 08, 2018 21:48 |  #13

For some of us Arsenal in photography means Kiev.


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Mar 14, 2018 08:12 |  #14

Well when it comes out I will be watching for some reviews on it. I am not a beginner but not a pro either and I think this has some useful features.




  
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Mar 14, 2018 10:07 |  #15

Since I can only rely on what is described on the website I'll take a shot.

First, I own both Camrangers and and generic TP-links running qDslrDashboard.

The Arsenal is coming in at the same price point as the Camranger. Since the Arsenal runs only with Android and a promise of IOS in the future. The big sales pitch is that you can use a larger smart phone screen to control your camera and add some basic HDR and focus stacking features. Nothing about doing wireless tether to windows or mac. The prime feature of the other two choices.

The TP-Links are getting a bit long in the tooth. Newer, faster hardware would be nice. I don't know if the hardware is something they designed or if is re-purposed like the TP-Link.

Camrangers software is much more mature but is designed primarily for wireless tether. qDslrDashboard (and others) offer most of the features Arsenal is touting at a much lower price point and more platforms.

I think Arsenal is positioned poorly in the market and is late to the game. If they don't expand the software to all platforms with full tethering it will fail. It will just be an expensive phone accessory.


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