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Mar 12, 2018 11:28 |  #1

Currently looking at getting back in to photography with a used camera. Uses would be: my family, kids, etc, some landscapes for fun. I previously owned a 40D, but it's been about 6 years ago.

Two cameras I'm looking at:
EOS 7D with 54k on the shutter. approx $400
EOS 40D with less than 1000 on the shutter. approx $240

Is the 7D that much better for the money, even with a much higher shutter count?

Thanks for the help.




  
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Mar 12, 2018 11:58 |  #2

The 40D is still a capable camera. It'll get things going again.

However, I would suggest going for the 7D. It's a very durable camera. It's better at everything. Has significantly higher ISO (and better performance at those ISO values) capability which is very useful. And it has a newer JPG engine which may matter a lot to you. Unless you're a RAW shooter at all times, paying attention to the quality of the JPG engine can matter a lot. Getting a newer JPG engine, if your goal is JPG shooting, is worth it.

The 7D has MFA (you can adjust focus on it) which is also a huge step up compared to the 40D and very important with fast glass (F1.4, etc). It's AF is also a whole other world better with a lot more customization.

I've had both cameras. The 7D really is better in every single way, as it should be. And it's a ton of camera for $400.

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Mar 12, 2018 12:07 |  #3

I have had both. I would go with the 7D. The ISO is a lot higher on the 7D as well.


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Mar 12, 2018 12:10 |  #4

I agree with everything Martin said. I've owned both and the 7D is just more modern. Menu interface, etc... You also get inline with Canon's current batteries, the LP-E6.


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Mar 12, 2018 13:05 |  #5

So 54,000 shouldn't be anything to worry about on the 7D shutter count correct?




  
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Mar 12, 2018 13:45 |  #6

aslack78 wrote in post #18583710 (external link)
So 54,000 shouldn't be anything to worry about on the 7D shutter count correct?

I wouldn't worry about that at all.

Even if you took 200 photos every week, that's 10k a year, and that's another 5 years, that's $80 a year for your camera's life span. Would you pay $80 a year for photos basically?

In reality, you won't take that many photos in a week most likely. Some days you may do more, some you will do none. Depends on what you're doing. But you'd be hard pressed to do 10k a year unless you're really just spraying & praying around. In reality, you'll take 20~30 photos probably at a time on whatever subject in a day. And on a big trip you may do the 200 photos. In reality, you'll find out real quick you won't be doing much with 200 photos in a day, as you will only keep a handful once the honey moon phase wears off.

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Mar 12, 2018 13:45 as a reply to  @ aslack78's post |  #7

It's good for another 100k or so. Given your shooting scenarios, are you dead set on a Canon or have you given mirror-less systems any thought? You can get a used Fuji X-T1 down around $400. As long as you don't need long fast primes (sports, wildlife, etc..) you many want to look into it. I switched a few years back because the 7D and EF glass were so heavy and couldn't be happier. I only recently (last year) picked up another 7D and 300/4 solely for shooting soccer. For everything else, it's my Fuji and a few lenses. If you're stuck on 40D vs 7D though, the 7D. It's truly a workhorse. I'd try to find a newer one with a locking mode dial if you can. Nothing sucks more than raising your camera to capture a special moment only to fire the shot and be in bulb mode :/ I had sent my old 7D in to be modded but I believe the later models included the lock.


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Mar 12, 2018 15:25 |  #8

sporadic wrote in post #18583730 (external link)
It's good for another 100k or so. Given your shooting scenarios, are you dead set on a Canon or have you given mirror-less systems any thought? You can get a used Fuji X-T1 down around $400. As long as you don't need long fast primes (sports, wildlife, etc..) you many want to look into it. I switched a few years back because the 7D and EF glass were so heavy and couldn't be happier. I only recently (last year) picked up another 7D and 300/4 solely for shooting soccer. For everything else, it's my Fuji and a few lenses. If you're stuck on 40D vs 7D though, the 7D. It's truly a workhorse. I'd try to find a newer one with a locking mode dial if you can. Nothing sucks more than raising your camera to capture a special moment only to fire the shot and be in bulb mode :/ I had sent my old 7D in to be modded but I believe the later models included the lock.

I had not given any thought to a mirror-less. I am familiar with Canon, so that's what I gravitated towards. The FuJi looks very interesting, but may not fit my giant caveman hands. They do appear to be a great option though!




  
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Mar 12, 2018 19:00 as a reply to  @ aslack78's post |  #9

Well, I made my choice. Found a 7D local to me with less than 10k clicks for $340. Bought it and a 18-55 STM kit lens to get started. Time to start relearning. Thanks everyone.




  
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Mar 12, 2018 20:00 |  #10

I have owned both a 7D and 40D in the past. You made a wise choice going with the 7D. The 40D was a good camera for its time, but the 7D is better in every way -- high ISO, auto focus, frame rate,etc.


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Mar 12, 2018 20:04 as a reply to  @ aslack78's post |  #11

That thing isn't even broken in yet, helluva deal if it's in good shape. Nice find!


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Mar 12, 2018 21:48 |  #12

No kidding, great deal!


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Mar 12, 2018 23:05 as a reply to  @ aslack78's post |  #13

The original 7D is rated for 150,000 "clicks". (The Mark II for 200K.)

The 40D was shutter-rated for 100K. But, frankly, it was a bit prone to early failure. For example, 30D and 50D were rated the same and both of them seem to be accurately rated, averaging 100K+ actuations before shutter failure. 40D, on the other hand, averaged about 83K clicks (https://www.olegkikin.​com/shutterlife/canon_​eos40d.htm (external link)).

There's less data for the newer 7D, but they have generally exceeded their rating considerably, with failures at around 170K on average.

So a 7D with around 50K clicks on the shutter still might be able to give another 120K clicks.... While a 40D with only 1000 clicks may only give about 80K.

I've got two 7D with 150K+ on each and both still work fine.


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Mar 15, 2018 14:11 |  #14

aslack78 wrote in post #18584013 (external link)
Well, I made my choice. Found a 7D local to me with less than 10k clicks for $340. Bought it and a 18-55 STM kit lens to get started. Time to start relearning. Thanks everyone.


That's a really good deal on a very low "mileage" camera. The lens will be fine to start. STM lenses are great for video, too, if you plan to shoot any of that.

7D is an excellent sports/action stills camera... It has a very high performance, all cross-type 19-point AF system that's supported by its own separate chip (like Canon 1D-series models... most others share the AF with the image processing, through a single processor). 7D also has dual processors to support high frame rates (up to 8 frames per second, though you'll find it slows a bit at times to allow time for focusing and metering). To take full advantage of 7D's high performance AF syste you will want USM lenses.

You may or may not be aware, Canon makes autofocus lenses using four different types of autofocus systems:

1. "Micro motor" are the cheapest and most entry level. They are not marked "STM" or "USM". Micro motor are the slowest, noisiest and least accurate.
2. "STM" or "stepper motor" are a bit faster and much quieter, smoother. They are desirable for video, in particular. Okay for sports/action, but not as good as USM.
3. "USM" or "ultrasonic motor" are the fastest acquiring focus and best tracking movement, making them the most ideal for fast action subjects. They are relatively quiet and smooth, but the STM lenses are more-so... the USM lenses are not as good for video, but are best for most other purposes. USM focus drive is used on mid-grade to premium-grade Canon lenses.
4. "Nano USM" is the latest and greatest, but so far is only found in three newer lenses. It's the best of both worlds.... fast and great tracking like USM, but also quiet and smooth for use with video. It's only found on the newer EF-S 18-135mm IS USM, EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM "II" and the EF 70-300mm IS USM "II".

One difference in use is that the micro motor lenses do not support "full time manual override" (FTM, Canon calls it) of AF. With them it's necessary to first turn off AF at the switch, before focusing the lens manually. The other three types allow FTM, which can be very useful to quickly de-focus the lens to force the camera & lens to re-focus. It also allows slight manual adjustments and can be useful if doing focus and recompose or other advanced focusing techniques.

STM lenses are "fly by wire", meaning that they have to be getting power from the camera to focus automatically or manually. When the camera is powered off or the AF is in "sleep mode", the focus ring of the lens will turn, but not do anything. When you have the lens perform AF (by half press of the shutter release or back button focus), the system remains active for some 10 or 15 seconds... after which it "powers down" to save battery charge. During that time you can manually override the STM lenses. In contrast, USM lenses are electro-mechanical, so you can focus them manually even when the camera is powered off.

Sigma "HSM" and Tamron "USD" lens focus drives both are similar to Canon USM. Tamron also has a "PZD" drive on a few lenses, which seems similar to Canon STM. Sigma and Tamron lenses without these markings, I would think are using a system similar to Canon micro motor. AFAIK, most Tokina lenses use a micro motor type focus drive. I know they made a 70-200mm with ultrasonic type at one time, but it was only ever offered to fit Nikon. Tokina has just announced at least one new premium quality "Opera" lens that will be using ultrasonic and will be available in more mounts.

Have fun with your new camera!


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Mar 15, 2018 22:20 |  #15

aslack78 wrote in post #18583633 (external link)
Currently looking at getting back in to photography with a used camera. Uses would be: my family, kids, etc, some landscapes for fun. I previously owned a 40D, but it's been about 6 years ago.

Two cameras I'm looking at:
EOS 7D with 54k on the shutter. approx $400
EOS 40D with less than 1000 on the shutter. approx $240

Is the 7D that much better for the money, even with a much higher shutter count?

Thanks for the help.

The 7D is a better camera in just about every respect.


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