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Mar 10, 2018 08:46 |  #16

troutfisher wrote in post #18581669 (external link)
If Venice is on your itinerary please do some reading up on the rip off in the restaurants , particularly on St Marks Square.
I don't know if you see the reports on your side on the pond but our press has carried reports of horrendous tourist rip offs , like 500 euro for some fried fish-which BTW is priced per 100 grms!

Hopefully the OP uses the link I provided earlier in which I said...

Venice can be expensive for food but it doesn't have to be. Many years ago I learned the trick of asking the hotel housekeeping staff for dinner reservations and found many a reasonable restaurant where locals go, not tourists. The last time we were there we ate at one place for three or four nights since the food was so good (and comparitively inexpensive). It was tucked away at a point where two "streets" met and well away from crowds.

Of course if you are cruising you don't have contact with hotel housekeeping staff. But an employee of a small grocery store, a museum guard, a police man, all might serve just as well. Just simply walking about Venice you will stumble on many restaurants tucked between some building and many are reasonable and quite good.




  
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Mar 10, 2018 22:28 |  #17

I want to thank everyone for their input

Sounds like 16-35 f4 and 35f2 are definitely coming.

Which would be best to walk around in Italy?
24-70 2.8 ii
24-105 stm
24-70 f4
24-105 f4

I think unless I have room I probably won't have anything longer.

I'll bring a 270exii flash and maybe a travel tripod

Anyone with thought about the pacsafe straps and bags?

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Mar 11, 2018 11:35 as a reply to  @ Luxx's post |  #18

Frankly, I do not see a point to have both 16-35 and 35 when traveling. Yes, you will have two stops advantage with f/2, but with modern cameras you can make it up with the ISO. If you think of the DoF, I am not sure how often you will want to use it while traveling to warrant the extra lens.

A general zoom lens, such as you 24-105, has much more utility when traveling, based on my extensive experience of my traveling to Europe with a camera.

But ultimately, it is your decision of what and how you want to shoot.


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Mar 11, 2018 14:23 as a reply to  @ Lbsimon's post |  #19

I agree that if you take the 16-35/4, you don’t need the 35/2. The IS on the 16-35 is good enough that I can hand hold down to 1/6 seconds, sometimes even lower. That’s good enough to take photos indoors with low ISO.




  
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Mar 11, 2018 14:29 |  #20

Luxx wrote in post #18582392 (external link)
Which would be best to walk around in Italy?
24-70 2.8 ii
24-105 stm
24-70 f4
24-105 f4

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Mar 11, 2018 21:47 |  #21

Luxx wrote in post #18582392 (external link)
I want to thank everyone for their input

Sounds like 16-35 f4 and 35f2 are definitely coming.
Lux

5div, 16-35 f4 and 35f2
100-400 to use on boat.

That is all I would take. Except I would sub the 35f2 for 1.4 because that is what I have.


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Mar 12, 2018 23:47 |  #22

Will I walk around with the 16-35 or will I want 24-70 or 24-105? A number have said that on the whirlwind excursions the 16-35 is what I need. On the boat I cab see using 24-70 to or 24-105 take photos of kids with characters etc but my guess is those will likely require flash. (Will bring 270exii).

Can anyone speak to utility of 100-400 to take pictures of the shore. I know the coast is supposed to be beautiful but will I need that much reach? Anyone been on one of these cruises?

So far
16-35 f4
Possibly 35f2
Possibly 24-105 stm vs 24-70 2.8ii
Possibly 100-400
5div
6d vs 6dii


Likely 16-35f4 and 24-105 stm with 5div

Just bought a pacsafe security strap and shoulder bag that can go cross body. What fits in that might color my choices

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Mar 13, 2018 03:59 |  #23

Luxx wrote in post #18584203 (external link)
Will I walk around with the 16-35 or will I want 24-70 or 24-105? A number have said that on the whirlwind excursions the 16-35 is what I need. On the boat I cab see using 24-70 to or 24-105 take photos of kids with characters etc but my guess is those will likely require flash. (Will bring 270exii).

Can anyone speak to utility of 100-400 to take pictures of the shore. I know the coast is supposed to be beautiful but will I need that much reach? Anyone been on one of these cruises?

So far
16-35 f4
Possibly 35f2
Possibly 24-105 stm vs 24-70 2.8ii
Possibly 100-400
5div
6d vs 6dii


Likely 16-35f4 and 24-105 stm with 5div

Just bought a pacsafe security strap and shoulder bag that can go cross body. What fits in that might color my choices

Lux

As I said earlier, I'm a former ships officer and naval officer and I've been an avid photographer for 55 years. I just do not see the need for a 100-400mm lens for the coast line. You might be able to make use of that lens at the short end, perhaps up to 200mm but you can use the 24-105 and crop in post and accomplish the same thing. Port to port the ships cruise several miles offshore; subject matter just doesn't exist when offshore several miles. Haze and heat wave distortion can become a real factor as well, especially with a long telephoto above about 200mm. You will also find that the ships are docking around 6 to 7 AM and also generally departing around 6 to 8 PM. In some ports, where dining ashore is encouraged, departure may be in darkness. Koper, Slovenia comes to mind and ship departures are generally 10 to 11 PM. Check your actual itinerary and figure docking operations about 1 hour prior to arrival. On departures, figure you will likely need to be on board two hours prior to sailing. Take your itinerary and then go to http://www.cruiseporta​tlas.com/ (external link) and do some advance planning of your actual destinations.




  
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Mar 13, 2018 07:00 |  #24

I've always struggled in the past for travel lenses.... over the years I've taken less and less and now have gotten it down to a 16-35 F4 and a 50mm 1.4 or 1.8. I've taken the fisheye too but it seems that the 16-35 is glued and the 50 comes out for portraits that allows just enough scene in and just enough background isolation.

That is for me though. Every time I've taken longer... I don't use it.


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Mar 13, 2018 09:34 as a reply to  @ Talley's post |  #25

There are times when you need a fast prime and even then, IS helps. I wouldn't travel without my 35F2IS or a 50. An ultrawide is essential for Italy, but IS won't do it for me if I want to photograph people in low light. You may want to get shots of people at night or in very dim locations. Even if a full frame gives you good high ISO, the extra stops from a fast prime still help. I recall some very dark rooms at the Vatican Museum.




  
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Mar 13, 2018 09:51 |  #26

I usually do the same as Talley, I was in Italy last year and I mostly shot with the 16-35 and 50. I did wish I had a longer lens at times. If I go back to Italy I would also take my 135.


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Mar 13, 2018 12:13 |  #27

artyH wrote in post #18584432 (external link)
There are times when you need a fast prime and even then, IS helps. I wouldn't travel without my 35F2IS or a 50. An ultrawide is essential for Italy, but IS won't do it for me if I want to photograph people in low light. You may want to get shots of people at night or in very dim locations. Even if a full frame gives you good high ISO, the extra stops from a fast prime still help. I recall some very dark rooms at the Vatican Museum.

I'd review the thread at https://www.dpreview.c​om/forums/thread/34988​09 (external link) and note that someone stated "most of the photos I took were at f5.6 1/50 and ISO 400 or 800." That ISO seems low, I know I've used around 1600 with good success and very little if any work in post needed because of the ISO. And that was with a 60D, you should be able to do better.

In the thread I've mentioned, scroll down about 1/2 way to the images. If you float your cursor over an image for a few seconds the exposure data pops up.

Last thing, go to the thread at https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=18581735, specifically my input in response #8. Make yourself the nighttime exposure calculator I mention, you will find it useful. Museums in Italy generally do not allow flash. Something like the Sistine Chapel actually didn't allow photography when I was there last, but you could always "sneak" off shot or two.




  
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Mar 17, 2018 16:45 |  #28

Just a comment...our local newspaper travel section has an article this AM about many credit cards charging as much as 3% for foreign transactions. So on $1000 of charges, single or multiple in total, you will pay an additional $30. Shipboard charges are considered foreign unless the vessel is "flagged" US, and very few are these days. There are cards that charge no fee, so check with your bank before leaving to avoid any surprises.




  
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Mar 18, 2018 08:22 |  #29

The last trip I took that I planned to take lots of photos I came home with plenty of them but few memories. I now focus on seeing the places and just capturing reminder memories on camera. To me this makes the trip far more enjoyable. I can look at the few pictures and bring back so many more enjoyable memories and stories. Now I just take my M3 and 2 lenses or more often just my older Panasonic zoom pocket camera. I hate lugging the camera weight all day myself of the DSLR gear.

From your list I would take the 6D, the 16-35 and something like a light weight 70-300.


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Mar 19, 2018 11:49 |  #30

just got back from there .
took 16-35 ,24-105 and a 70-200 II
90% of my photos were with the 16-35 ,the rest with my 24-105
never even took my 70-200 out of its bag




  
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