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Any opinions on the Wescott 24" foldable beauty dish?

 
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Jan 18, 2018 14:47 |  #1

I'm considering getting 1-2 of these beauty dishes for on location work. I would be getting Bowens mount to use with my speedlight adapters and AD200s. Anyone own these or have experience with them? The only thing turning me off about them is the $300 price tag. That seems like a lot. I don't mind paying for quality, but that's twice the price of the rapid box. Anyone have an alternate that they use? (Foldable beauty dish only please, I already have two 31" softboxes).

Was also looking for a monopod type pole that can be used for an assistant to hold a strobe on. Bonus points if you include suggestions for that. Thanks.


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Jan 18, 2018 16:04 |  #2

Also interested in this. But also interested to see how it compares to the Paul c Buff high output white beauty dish as I'd be using this on an alienbees


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Jan 18, 2018 23:29 |  #3

Jarvis Creative Studios wrote in post #18543894 (external link)
I'm considering getting 1-2 of these beauty dishes for on location work. I would be getting Bowens mount to use with my speedlight adapters and AD200s. Anyone own these or have experience with them? The only thing turning me off about them is the $300 price tag. That seems like a lot. I don't mind paying for quality, but that's twice the price of the rapid box. Anyone have an alternate that they use? (Foldable beauty dish only please, I already have two 31" softboxes).

Was also looking for a monopod type pole that can be used for an assistant to hold a strobe on. Bonus points if you include suggestions for that. Thanks.

If you are talking about the "Joel Grimes" version I considered buying one for headshots/on location work but I ended up buying a standard beauty dish(Glow) and a 28in parapop both with a grids for the same price of the wescott version. I know its two modifiers but I use the beauty dish indoors for beauty work and the parapop on location and indoors.

If I did headshots twice a week I would be all over the wescott version, the build quality is stellar as I owned the speed light version. Im not sure what type shoots you have in mind but paired with the ad200 it will work. You might be better suited with the rapid box version to maximize your light output with the silver lining, plus its cheaper. The white lining of the Joel Grimes version is catered towards beauty work/headshots with the white lining.


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Jan 18, 2018 23:34 |  #4

Here is a link for a monopod that might work out.

https://www.bhphotovid​eo.com …3GEAQYASABEgICc​_D_BwE&m=Y (external link)


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Jan 19, 2018 00:18 |  #5

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If you are talking about the "Joel Grimes" version I considered buying one for headshots/on location work but I ended up buying a standard beauty dish(Glow) and a 28in parapop both with a grids for the same price of the wescott version. I know its two modifiers but I use the beauty dish indoors for beauty work and the parapop on location and indoors.

If I did headshots twice a week I would be all over the wescott version, the build quality is stellar as I owned the speed light version. Im not sure what type shoots you have in mind but paired with the ad200 it will work. You might be better suited with the rapid box version to maximize your light output with the silver lining, plus its cheaper. The white lining of the Joel Grimes version is catered towards beauty work/headshots with the white lining.

Yep, that's the one. I was looking at that and also the 35" Westcott Zeppelin. Although the Zeppelin is much larger, and does not appear as if it can be easily collapsed like the beauty dish. But would be nicer for softer portraits. Not to mention it's $100 more. I'm looking for an "on location" modifier, so the zeppelin probably is not the best choice. That's why I was leaning toward the beauty dish.

How is the build quality of the Parapop softbox? I have two glow softboxes already, but they are complete crap quality.

Thank you for the link on the light pole.


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Jan 19, 2018 13:43 |  #6

I'm pleased, so far with the BD mentioned here & clones elsewhere;
https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=nffUpaWlD-k (external link)

.. mine, in the EU, was called '80cm White Folding Beauty Dish / Softbox' from Lencarta UK. The US version in inches (30in) is measured correctly across the flats, whereas the (rather optimistic) 80cm is measured point to point. There is a 24in version - white or silver in each size.

The construction mechanism is based on an Elinchrom design & IMO is fine (16 rods) when you get used to it. The metal 16 rods give it some strength and ductility. I swapped the insert (Bowens S in my case) for a shallower design (35mm) to achieve improved positioning of the 'bulb' within the modifier.

Otherwise identical to this, but this is "32in", nominally:
https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=F_MLZKEmSCU (external link)

Like nearly all BDs except Hensel, when using just the primary reflector, there is a circumferential projection of unmodified light, but this can be perfect for an appropriately placed 'Eyelighter' reflector or similar.

Worth your consideration, IMO. Cheers




  
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Mar 07, 2018 01:21 |  #7

There was a pretty good set of comparison images of the Westcott against a Mola beauty dish done within the last couple years where the photographer set them up the same way and took pictures of his wife in the same basic place. I found it revealing. The results were published in a few fora (dpreview, here, etc) and might be worth tracking down if you are very interested/critical about light quality. To my eye, there was a significant difference.

If you like the Mola Setti (28") look, the Elinchrom 70cm (27") deep Octa produces a similar look with the right configuration. The dimensions are somewhat similar. The Deep Octa also has the advantage of being more portable and capable of more configuration options.

This was taken with the 70cm Deep Octa handheld (it was at a Halloween event) with a single diffuser.

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Almost all the images in my IG were taken with a deep Octa, some single and others are in a double diffused configuration. Some are with the 70cm and some with the 150cm.

Used with the diffusion disks would probably give the most beauty light look, but I haven't any examples that way. But, to my eye, the single diffusion setup aimed like a beauty dish gives results very much like the Mola Setti already.


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Mar 14, 2018 03:31 |  #8

Jarvis Creative Studios wrote in post #18543894 (external link)
I'm considering getting 1-2 of these beauty dishes for on location work. I would be getting Bowens mount to use with my speedlight adapters and AD200s. Anyone own these or have experience with them? The only thing turning me off about them is the $300 price tag. That seems like a lot. I don't mind paying for quality, but that's twice the price of the rapid box. Anyone have an alternate that they use? (Foldable beauty dish only please, I already have two 31" softboxes).

Was also looking for a monopod type pole that can be used for an assistant to hold a strobe on. Bonus points if you include suggestions for that. Thanks.

Will the Rapidbox work with the AD 200's?




  
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Mar 14, 2018 08:17 |  #9

Bilymac2320 wrote in post #18585175 (external link)
Will the Rapidbox work with the AD 200's?

You will need a Bowen’s S mount adapter to make it work.


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Mar 14, 2018 08:24 |  #10

I went with the 48" RapidBox Octa w/ a beauty dish for my AD200's (single and double Bowens mounts) and am very happy with the results.
Glad I went larger and it's so easy to break down.

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Mar 14, 2018 15:59 |  #11

Hey everyone thanks for the responses. I actually did end up going with the Westcott 24" beauty dish. I did look into some of the other suggestions here, but I went with the Westcott one for a few main reasons:

1. Build Quality: I picked it over a normal Rapid Box mainly because of the build quality

2. Shape: I like that it's perfectly round for round catchlights

3. Size: This was a big factor. I will mainly be using it outside, and may not always have an assistant at my disposal. The 24" inch form factor will help cut through the wind more than a 28" size would. I have 31" softboxes and the wind picks them up like parachutes

So far I'm very happy with my purchase. Sure it was expensive, but what isn't these days in photography? Thanks again for the suggestions.


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Mar 14, 2018 21:29 |  #12

may I ask what is the difference(s) between the Westcott 24" beauty dish and the 32" Rapid Box Duo or the 26" Rapid Box Octa?

I am thinking of getting either a 32" or a smaller (24" or 26") modifier....
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Mar 14, 2018 22:56 |  #13

Ah-keong wrote in post #18585853 (external link)
may I ask what is the difference(s) between the Westcott 24" beauty dish and the 32" Rapid Box Duo or the 26" Rapid Box Octa?

I am thinking of getting either a 32" or a smaller (24" or 26") modifier....
:rolleyes:

As far as I know these are the differences:

1. Beauty Dish has 16 rods to make it perfectly round, while the rapid boxes have 8 rods making them true octa boxes.

2. Build quality if far superior on the beautydish compared to the rapid boxes.

3. The beauty dish comes with a strobe mount (you can get it in Bowens, profoto, Paul c. Buff, or elinchrom). Rapid box is made for speedlights so it comes with a speedlight hookup.

4. Cost is about twice as much for the beauty dish over the smaller rapid boxes, but I would say build quality is almost twice as good too.

5. You can setup the beauty dish faster. It literally sets up in 5 seconds (putting diffusers and grids on takes a bit longer). People may dispute this point but I think the beauty dish is much faster than the original rapid boxes

6. You can buy grids for the beautydish. Not sure if you can buy them for the rapid boxes.

These are all the differences I can think of.


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Mar 15, 2018 21:49 |  #14

Jarvis Creative Studios wrote in post #18585898 (external link)
As far as I know these are the differences:

1. Beauty Dish has 16 rods to make it perfectly round, while the rapid boxes have 8 rods making them true octa boxes.

2. Build quality if far superior on the beautydish compared to the rapid boxes.

3. The beauty dish comes with a strobe mount (you can get it in Bowens, profoto, Paul c. Buff, or elinchrom). Rapid box is made for speedlights so it comes with a speedlight hookup.

4. Cost is about twice as much for the beauty dish over the smaller rapid boxes, but I would say build quality is almost twice as good too.

5. You can setup the beauty dish faster. It literally sets up in 5 seconds (putting diffusers and grids on takes a bit longer). People may dispute this point but I think the beauty dish is much faster than the original rapid boxes

6. You can buy grids for the beautydish. Not sure if you can buy them for the rapid boxes.

These are all the differences I can think of.

Thanks!
I shall consider whether to get the beauty dish or Rapid Box.


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Mar 16, 2018 11:16 |  #15

Jarvis Creative Studios wrote in post #18585898 (external link)
As far as I know these are the differences:

2. Build quality if far superior on the beautydish compared to the rapid boxes.

These are all the differences I can think of.

Were you able to do hands on before you purchased? If so where?
That's my biggest issue is not being able to do hands on around here, Portland OR.
Did you consider any of the Cheetah products before looking at the Westcott stuff?


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