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7D2 or 80D with 100-400 II for Alaska

 
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Mar 22, 2018 09:54 |  #16

Snydremark wrote in post #18591562 (external link)
Just dropping by to apologize to folks for a combative tone I did not intend and the OP for the slight derail. Sorry guys.

@archibald and/or @russbecker: Would either of you be open to a PM discussing the AF point issue? I am concerned that something is wrong or mis-configured on my system, since it positively does not operate the way you guys are describing. I would like to figure out what the differences may be.

Thank you.

Sure, PM is fine.


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Mar 22, 2018 10:07 |  #17

davesrose wrote in post #18591296 (external link)
Well the 80D has better low ISO dynamic range....but I'd be looking at the 7D2 for workflow. The 7D2 is a better companion to the 5D series because it has a similar body/interface. One thing you'll immediately love is that the full AF points will almost cover the whole viewfinder. It's custom functions and overall body is like the 5D4 (or 5D3).

Plus it rains a lot in Alaska.......


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Mar 22, 2018 10:18 |  #18

I will be selling my low mileage 7d2 soon.. when is your trip?


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Mar 22, 2018 11:24 |  #19

Archibald wrote in post #18591580 (external link)
Sure, PM is fine.

Thank you...but, disregard. This appears to be my very own Lightrules moment; a simple ID10t error. Off to play in traffic :oops:


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Mar 22, 2018 11:33 |  #20

russbecker wrote in post #18591481 (external link)
I'll add my opinion since I own all of the gear asked about by the OP; 7D2, 80D, 100-400 II, and the 1.4x TC.

While the 7D2 can only use the center point at f/8, you can choose SPOT AF, SINGLE PT AF, or SINGLE PT with surrounding assist pts. If you are shooting small birds, the 7D2's AF is quicker than the 80D and more precise (repeatable). Using SPOT AF the 7D2 is much better at shooting between branches than the 80D. Above ISO 640 or so, the IQ and DR are almost indistinguishable. At ISO 100, the 80D has the advantage over the 7D2.

The 80D has the advantage of being a bit smaller, a bit lighter, and the touch screen is really nice for quickly adjusting multiple settings and/or reviewing pictures. Also articulates which can help for tripod work.

7D2 has the advantage of control layout IMO, but I come from 40D/7D experience, and a bit with borrowed 5Ds. If you don't come from that lineup, the 80D control layout is just fine.

The 80D can be had for significantly less money; currently a bit over $800 as a refurb. I picked up mine on Black Friday for $680 from Canon, and it came with the plastic fantastic kit 18-55mm lens which has proven to be quite nice in the right light, I use it a lot on my old 40D. I have seen refurbs as low as $650 in January.

I agree with just about everything you posted except perhaps the 80Ds ability for quickly adjusting multiple settings via the touch screen, presumably compared to the 7D2 which doesn't have a touch screen.

You mentioned your own experience with the similar control layout of the 7D, 40D and even 50D. I submit that if one is completely comfortable and experienced with the 7D2 control layout and the intelligent viewfinder, changing settings is significantly faster on that camera than on any touch screen, and, most importantly, you do not have to take your eye off the viewfinder to do it. The 80D also has an intelligent viewfinder, but it has far fewer buttons, switches and dials to control it.

Since I very rarely shoot with Live View, using the LCD screen to make setting modifications is a distraction and could cause you to miss a shot, especially an action shot. There are very few settings that one might change from shot to shot on the 7D2 that cannot be modified using a button or dial. But, as I said this requires an intimate knowledge of the 7D2''s control layout. I believe the control layout alone might be enough to sway somebody in favor of that camera over the 80D which has a much more basic control layout like my old 60D. For instance, I would find it very difficult using a new camera that is missing the joystick. On the few occasions that I go back to my 60D, I find the control layout very awkward to use by comparison.

Of course, I understand that for some this ability may not be as useful as I find it, especially for those who do not have an intimate knowledge of all the control features this camera has to offer. And many people may use Liveview a lot more than I do.


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Mar 22, 2018 11:55 |  #21

davesrose wrote in post #18591342 (external link)
In regards to F8 focus with the 7D2, it's not just the center most point. At F8, the center is cross type, but surrounding points are also included. The 80D may include 14 points with F8 focusing (depending on lens setup).

Actually, on the 80D it's up to 27 focus points at f8 depending on the lens.


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Mar 22, 2018 12:13 |  #22

I think it depends on IF you intend to shoot at a high frame rate on birds and wildlife or not.

If yes = 7DII (there is nothing more frustraiting than having the trigger pressed, and NOTHING because you are in buffer mode when THE PERFECT SHOT flashes thru the viewfinder)
if no, then 80D may fit, particularly if you want landscape at 100 iso.

But... for weather sealing... 7DII all the way. tape or sleeve the joint where the lens connects, just in case.


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Mar 22, 2018 12:17 |  #23

ksbal wrote in post #18591674 (external link)
I think it depends on IF you intend to shoot at a high frame rate on birds and wildlife or not.

If yes = 7DII (there is nothing more frustraiting than having the trigger pressed, and NOTHING because you are in buffer mode when THE PERFECT SHOT flashes thru the viewfinder)
if no, then 80D may fit, particularly if you want landscape at 100 iso.

But... for weather sealing... 7DII all the way. tape or sleeve the joint where the lens connects, just in case.

Of course if you're using a sealed lens, the tape is probably unnecessary.


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Mar 22, 2018 12:43 |  #24

Since this thread has new legs... I prefer the 7D2 over the 80D when using the 100-400 II, with or without extender. My comment regarding changing settings quickly via the touchscreen has more to do when adjusting exposure compensation (and spread for 3 to 5 shot bracketing) for ISO 100 to 200 landscapes.

But the 80Ds touchscreen is superior for reviewing images, IMO. It is a bit smaller (though not like some of the mirrorless bodies) and a bit lighter.

I prefer the control layout of the 7D2, I have the AF configured for BBF and the AF-ON button to toggle between servo AF (default) and one-shot AF. For quickly making changes while shooting wildlife it is hard to beat the 7D2 in the APS-C arena.

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Mar 22, 2018 12:47 |  #25

In the situation that the OP is in, where he will be pairing the camera with a 5DIV, I would be much more inclined to go with the 7DII, simply so that he maintains that consistency of control interface. Missing a shot because he confused which camera was in the hand at any time would be very unfortunate.

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Mar 22, 2018 15:20 |  #26

BigAl007 wrote in post #18591707 (external link)
In the situation that the OP is in, where he will be pairing the camera with a 5DIV, I would be much more inclined to go with the 7DII, simply so that he maintains that consistency of control interface. Missing a shot because he confused which camera was in the hand at any time would be very unfortunate.

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Agree, and the weight, size and grip shape is also more similar to the 5DIV. They are natural companions if you are planning to shoot both FF an crop. Although the 7D Mark II is slightly smaller, it's almost identical in most important respects.


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Mar 22, 2018 17:56 |  #27

Snydremark wrote in post #18591644 (external link)
This appears to be my very own Lightrules moment; ........

Oh man, talk about memories :lol:




  
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Mar 25, 2018 19:45 |  #28

I do not have any experience with the 80D.

I had this combo - the 7D2 + 100-400 II + 1.4x III - and I had never been happy. Not enough sharpness, and I wrote about it quite a few times on this forum. Multiple testing, AFMAs, various lenses on various cameras -nothing helped. Only this combo struggled.

Another thing I was not happy about was that because the AF was only the center point (plus surrounding points),it was very hard to focus on birds in flight.

I eventually decided to move to the 5D4 and forget the crop.


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Mar 25, 2018 20:13 |  #29

Lbsimon wrote in post #18594038 (external link)
I do not have any experience with the 80D.

I had this combo - the 7D2 + 100-400 II + 1.4x III - and I had never been happy. Not enough sharpness, and I wrote about it quite a few times on this forum. Multiple testing, AFMAs, various lenses on various cameras -nothing helped. Only this combo struggled.

Another thing I was not happy about was that because the AF was only the center point (plus surrounding points),it was very hard to focus on birds in flight.

I eventually decided to move to the 5D4 and forget the crop.

With my December lens purchase I now have the same 7D2 +... combo you have listed. Because of the time of year I still haven't been able to test things to my satisfaction but with the evenings getting longer there is more time and more wildlife to work with. Hoping it works for me the way I want it to but so far...

For the OP the two cameras have a lot in common so he only needs to decide which of the other features of each body are the most important for him to sway his purchase decision. I'd go for 80D but only because I've had the 7D2 since it was released. :-)


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Mar 27, 2018 17:28 |  #30

BigAl007 wrote in post #18591707 (external link)
In the situation that the OP is in, where he will be pairing the camera with a 5DIV, I would be much more inclined to go with the 7DII, simply so that he maintains that consistency of control interface. Missing a shot because he confused which camera was in the hand at any time would be very unfortunate.

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As someone who owns a 5D3 and 7D2, I agree completely. The controls are almost identical, which makes it so easy to switch between camera bodies.


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