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I've switched to Sony twice. Hated it. Now I'm thinking about doing it a third time.

 
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Apr 07, 2018 22:32 |  #106

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Nope, I was talking about Canon 600mm F4L IS, the first version. I had it for 3 times, none of them are sharp, compare to other super teles.

Out of the super telephotos, 600mm is the least sharp lens. 500mm is sharper.

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Your statements reflect your experiences only, and definitely do not represent any kind of general consensus.

For almost a decade, most of the world's most successful full-time professional wildlife photographers relied on Canon's 600mm f4 I.S. v1 as their primary long lens. . I have had many conversations about this lens with some of these guys, and not one has ever complained of it not being sharp, relative to their other long glass.


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Apr 08, 2018 09:41 |  #107

2loose wrote in post #18602141 (external link)
Nope, I was talking about Canon 600mm F4L IS, the first version. I had it for 3 times, none of them are sharp, compare to other super teles.


I suspect the problem was not with the lens, because everyone else seems to be able to get excellent results with that version.


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Apr 08, 2018 10:16 |  #108

300/400mm f2.8 IS ver I were sharper than 500/600mm f4 IS ver I and i believe it is same with the IS ver II models. Not saying that 600mm wasn't sharp, it was plenty sharp from the results I have seen. I only had 300mm f2.8 IS I and 500mm f4 IS I.


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Apr 09, 2018 02:38 |  #109

AlanU wrote in post #18602077 (external link)
However if I was a dedicated Fuji shooter I would have something otherwise to say about ewwww Sony..........their lenses are expensive and crappy menu system.....

:rolleyes: :lol:

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Apr 11, 2018 02:13 |  #110

bobbyz wrote in post #18602376 (external link)
300/400mm f2.8 IS ver I were sharper than 500/600mm f4 IS ver I and i believe it is same with the IS ver II models. Not saying that 600mm wasn't sharp, it was plenty sharp from the results I have seen. I only had 300mm f2.8 IS I and 500mm f4 IS I.

Level of sharpness between 300 2.8II, 500 f4II and 600mm f4II are on the equal terms. Unless your lens and body requiring AFA or user error then obviously your photo won't be as sharp. Bear in mind also that the DOF would be small to it is crucial to focus where you wanted to be. I used 500 f4I and upgraded to 500 f4II and it is noticeably sharper than mark I.




  
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Apr 11, 2018 23:34 |  #111

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Level of sharpness between 300 2.8II, 500 f4II and 600mm f4II are on the equal terms. Unless your lens and body requiring AFA or user error then obviously your photo won't be as sharp. Bear in mind also that the DOF would be small to it is crucial to focus where you wanted to be. I used 500 f4I and upgraded to 500 f4II and it is noticeably sharper than mark I.

I am happy to shoot mirroless. None of this focus adjust stuff. Even at f1.2 you nail focus all the time.


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Apr 12, 2018 17:54 |  #112

You remind me of when I bought Tokina's 11-16mm like 3 times.

Although, my triple buy was due to liking the lens each time but needing cash a couple times. The third sell was when I bought full frame.

Would it matter to list what's most important and desirable to you for several things, and decide what camera fits that part the most. For me, I found that I like a larger body unlike where mirrorless are headed. So that's a big factor for me now. Although I have one mirrorless for an extra, I discovered I do not like an EVF.

Among all the cameras and lenses you used, did any particular feature or function stand out more than anything else?


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Apr 19, 2018 01:57 |  #113

Hey guys! So I've gone ahead and sold my Canon 5D4, and decided to order the A7III. Now I'm debating between going with the Metabones and MC-11 for it. Decisions decisions. I'm keeping my Canon glass for now!


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Apr 19, 2018 09:02 |  #114

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Hey guys! So I've gone ahead and sold my Canon 5D4, and decided to order the A7III. Now I'm debating between going with the Metabones and MC-11 for it. Decisions decisions. I'm keeping my Canon glass for now!

So far with the sigma adaptor You cannot get autofocus video while I have noticed the metabone with some settings can acquire autofocus in video with the Sony A73 using canon glass.

Since I’m currently using Canon lenses with the sigma adaptor with the Sony A73 I still feel that single shot is not nearly as good as a Canon 5D Mark4 with movement involved.

Static subjects adapted canon glass is actually good in performance.

I will need native glass to be fully happy with my Sony system.

I have a wedding and baby event coming up so the Sony/Fuji is definitely staying home. It’s about my personal comfort level in the confidence. Adapted Canon glass is still not nearly as good as Sony with native glass.


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May 29, 2018 03:43 |  #115

I too have switched to Sony A7-family systems twice in my life (plus once to the Sony a99 'SLR') and then sold them. In 18 years, I've had dozens of different systems...LOTS of Canons (which is what I started with in 2000...a 3MP D30)...too many, overall, for me to remember. I now have an M43 system based on an Oly EM1.2 with excellent Pro-series lenses, but, looking for more resolution without fooling with the side-effects of pixel-shifting, I just ordered a Sony a7R3, three Loxias, and a humble Sigma telezoom. All previous times, and I over-simplify here, the bodies were either too small for my mediumish hands, which required batterygrips, or they were too big and heavy. This time the '7R3 body is (possibly; I hope probably) slightly larger in the grip, and some brilliant person has designed an angle-plate with room for a pinky finger. I'm hoping the SmallRig plate...
http://www.smallrig.co​m …-a7m3-a7riii-a9-2122.html (external link)
...will be the magic I need to fall in love again. I'm praying that the '7R3 plus smallgrip plate will feel as good in my hand (and be no or only slightly heaver) as the EM1.2 with grip; we'll see in a few weeks. Meanwhile, I'm staying away from heavy telezooms and at least starting with the humble Sigma 70-300...
https://www.sigmaphoto​.com …-apo-dg-macro-refurbished (external link)

Meanwhile I have a bunch of M43 lenses and soon the body system and more for sale.
https://www.ebay.com …nc&_trksid=p204​7675.l2562 (external link)


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May 31, 2018 07:55 as a reply to  @ quadwing's post |  #116

It seems you are sensitive to the speed of operation, AF, etc.. In that case, I strongly recommend getting a decent native lens for your Sony A7 III so that you will know how its AF performs with a native lens and how much you are missing compared to using adapted lenses. I doubt your adapted lenses will perform well on A7 III compared to a Canon 5D mk iv and that experience may frustrate you one more time.




  
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Jun 09, 2018 14:33 |  #117

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So many are constantly in search of the holy grail. Regardless of what system someone is shooting, new hardware from this or that manufacturer and their heads are turned.

"....ooo.....look at that...it does this and that and has all these cool things....it's bigger, better, faster....'...blah, blah, blah.....

For many, this will never stop. I feel sorry for those that are not and will never be satisfied with their hardware and can therefore concentrate on the great enjoyment that can be had from this hobby.

Yup, lots of us have substantial degrees of GAS. I've been playing fotografer for 19 years (starting with a Canon D30 in 2000), and I can only begin to count the number of camera systems I've had. Seems I'm difficult to satisfy with camera size and handling. In the last few years, I've had Sony models a7R, a99, a7r2, and now an a7R3. But this body has an SmallRig L-bracket...
http://www.smallrig.co​m …-a7m3-a7riii-a9-2122.html (external link)
...so my little finger actually has something (that's NOT a too-bulky-and-heavy battery grip) to grip instead of waving about. Also this time, with the THIRD overall family of lenses*, I think I've got it. We'll see.

Will be in the Palouse starting June 30; we'll see how I feel then. ;-)a

* this time based on at least a couple Canon TS-E lenses (45 and 24mm) and including a Zeiss Loxia 21 or Batis 18 UWA, a Nokton 40/1.2, and two Sony zooms, the 24-105 walkabout and the 70-200/f4.


Sony a7R4, Zeiss Batises in 18/2.8, 40/2, and 85/1.8, Metabones-5 adapter for Canon TS-E 50 (gen.3) and small, lite, humble, old, excellent EF 70-200/F4/L/USM/non-IS.. Walkabout lens Sony 24-105/4..

  
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Jun 11, 2018 19:13 |  #118

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Yup, lots of us have substantial degrees of GAS. I've been playing fotografer for 19 years (starting with a Canon D30 in 2000), and I can only begin to count the number of camera systems I've had. Seems I'm difficult to satisfy with camera size and handling. In the last few years, I've had Sony models a7R, a99, a7r2, and now an a7R3. But this body has an SmallRig L-bracket...
http://www.smallrig.co​m …-a7m3-a7riii-a9-2122.html (external link)
...so my little finger actually has something (that's NOT a too-bulky-and-heavy battery grip) to grip instead of waving about. Also this time, with the THIRD overall family of lenses*, I think I've got it. We'll see.

Will be in the Palouse starting June 30; we'll see how I feel then. ;-)a

* this time based on at least a couple Canon TS-E lenses (45 and 24mm) and including a Zeiss Loxia 21 or Batis 18 UWA, a Nokton 40/1.2, and two Sony zooms, the 24-105 walkabout and the 70-200/f4.

The Sony 70-200/4 G OSS arrived today and I took it out in the Phoenix-summer heat. (Only 106dF this aft. :-) ) I'm VERY satisfied with its pics; it's definitely a keeper. The V'lander 40/1.2 Nokton is arriving tomorrow.


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Jun 14, 2018 18:10 |  #119

Interesting video on skin tones (starts around 30 seconds in):




side by sides of the Canon M50 doing 4K vs Sony's A7iii

Looks like Sony blows away Canon when it comes to 4K video quality, but that's just my opinion. Peter, the author, likes the Canon better (long time canon shooter).


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Jun 14, 2018 19:11 |  #120

Charlie wrote in post #18645416 (external link)
Interesting video on skin tones (starts around 30 seconds in):




side by sides of the Canon M50 doing 4K vs Sony's A7iii

Looks like Sony blows away Canon when it comes to 4K video quality, but that's just my opinion. Peter, the author, likes the Canon better (long time canon shooter).

Of course, A7iii is 6k oversampling from FF sensor vs 2.5 crop. He should have compared 1080p on M50 and 1080p on A7iii.




  
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