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Apr 22, 2018 17:20 |  #1

Long story short I own a 580exII and have exclusively used it atop my bodies, never off camera. I cam across a deal for a Neewer NW600BM Bowen Mount LCD Screen 600Ws GN87 HSS Outdoor Flash Strobe for $508 shipped canadian. I guess it's a clone of the Godox one. I orderred it thinking I'm going to start doing off camera flash for my family photos and such. Although shortly after ordering I remembered I could use my 580 off camera as well (haven't used my camera gear much lately).

Should I just return this thing and use my 580ex off camera for home use and learning first? Sorry I'm a little lost in the flash world, I mostly do wildlife in natural light.


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Apr 24, 2018 10:35 |  #2

I've been doing the strobist thing for about 5 years earning money doing youth and HS T&I. In other words, I've been getting buy using speedlights professionally for the last 5 years. Just upgraded to Godox this year. Start out with a couple of Chinese speedlights and triggers with shoot through umbrella's and see where that gets you. You can get a lot of gear for 508.00. Starting with speedlights and working your way up is a natural progression for OCF. See if you even like it. If it's a store and you can get your money back, go for it. Otherwise your going to be spending money on a light modifier as well and that'll be more coins out of your pocket. Then your going to need stands for the new strobe, stands for backdrop, a backdrop, and so on, and so on.... For just doing family photo's, I think the studio strobe is a bit overkill. Your getting into the professional realm of equipment, which is ok if you can afford it. Lot's of hobbyist have professional gear. It's a matter of wants/needs. What ever your pocketbook can afford. Good luck.

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This is what I started out with. Look around CL, lots of good used equipment there too.


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1DX II, Canon 7D Gripped, 5D3, 24-70L II, 70-200L 2.8 IS Mk I, 85 1.8, Pocket Wizard II triggers, assorted speedlites and modifiers, 580EX, 580EXII, YN560's (6 or so) 50 1.4, t/c 1.4 MkII
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Apr 24, 2018 21:51 |  #3

Grumpy_one wrote in post #18612607 (external link)
I've been doing the strobist thing for about 5 years earning money doing youth and HS T&I. In other words, I've been getting buy using speedlights professionally for the last 5 years. Just upgraded to Godox this year. Start out with a couple of Chinese speedlights and triggers with shoot through umbrella's and see where that gets you. You can get a lot of gear for 508.00. Starting with speedlights and working your way up is a natural progression for OCF. See if you even like it. If it's a store and you can get your money back, go for it. Otherwise your going to be spending money on a light modifier as well and that'll be more coins out of your pocket. Then your going to need stands for the new strobe, stands for backdrop, a backdrop, and so on, and so on.... For just doing family photo's, I think the studio strobe is a bit overkill. Your getting into the professional realm of equipment, which is ok if you can afford it. Lot's of hobbyist have professional gear. It's a matter of wants/needs. What ever your pocketbook can afford. Good luck.

https://www.bhphotovid​eo.com …v_yn560_iv_spee​dlite.html (external link)
https://www.bhphotovid​eo.com …3_ii_wireless_r​emote.html (external link)
https://www.bhphotovid​eo.com …lla_Optical_Whi​te_45.html (external link)
https://www.bhphotovid​eo.com …Soft_Silver_Umb​rella.html (external link)
https://www.bhphotovid​eo.com …01B_Nano_Black_​Light.html (external link)
https://www.bhphotovid​eo.com …vel_Umbrella_Ad​apter.html (external link)

This is what I started out with. Look around CL, lots of good used equipment there too.

Thanks for the reply! Ya i realize I jumped all in, I had thoughts on going with speedlights like yongnuo + transmitter but the price started adding up as well. I had then thought about going with the ad200 but here in Canada that one costs $400 plus 11% tax so the 508 all in just seemed like a much better idea Normally around $650 plus 11%. I purchased it off amazon so a return will not be an issue.

I was going to do ocf anyways so I ordered a cheap softbox with a bowens mount for speedlights. I can then try out my 580ex as well as the ad600 and see how things go. I plan to do mostly outdoor photos so no backdrop will be needed. Really if I can catch on and get good with ocf I will be much happier with just my family photos which is worth the price alone.

I'm also hoping this gets me going again taking more photos, been in a slump and I want to get back in! I have a lot of pro gear although I bought almost all of it used through this forum which really helps trying things out.


7D | 5DmII | 11-16 | 24-105 | 50 1.4 | 85 1.8 | 135 | 70-200 2.8 IS II | 100-400 | 500 f4 IS | 100 2.8 Macro | MP-E 65 | 580ex II | FB

  
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Apr 26, 2018 03:56 |  #4

There isn't really a "wrong" choice between getting a Godox strobe or sticking with speedlights.

There are technical considerations, such as that the Godox can put out as much power as a bunch of speedlights all at once. And it connects to modifiers more easily and distributes light in a better way (the speedlight has a permanent "reflector" with fresnel-type lens built in). And the Godox can recycle faster, go longer, etc. All of these benefits are potentially useful to you.

There is also nothing wrong with sticking with the light you have and using it to build skills till you need a capability the Godox brings.

Another alternative is to get a monolight (perhaps an inexpensive used model) which has a strong modeling light, which can be especially helpful as you learn because it gives you more idea of what the light will do. Not that you need this--you can take a shot and see--but for some it is very helpful to move the light or subject and be able to "see" the light and how it changes in real time. You do need a relatively dimly lit space for this to work well.

All we are going to be able to do is reflect our own experience for you. Not that it is a bad thing, but it isn't necessarily the answer for you. :)

My advice: absorb what people say and then take a step back and decide based on what gets you excited. It sounds irrational, but your emotional connection to working with the equipment can make a big difference in how confident you feel and how frequently you use it. And frequency of use is what matters most. Because skill comes from experience. With skill, you can get great results with just about any strobe set-up. And, as is probably obvious, whatever gear you have will do no good without skill.

The trick is to make one solid purchase (a light and a modifier) and then use the heck out of it. The temptation is to keep chasing after a piece of gear which will "solve" the problem. People spend fortunes this way and still can't get a decent image. :)


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