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Apr 27, 2018 08:24 |  #1

Question: for those of you who are proficient and have mastered Photoshop… what was your learning path? How did you go from the very basics, to mastering the software?

Online courses? In-person classes? Online tutorials? Self-taught?

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Apr 27, 2018 08:49 |  #2

I suspect that there are only 3 people in the world who have mastered everything that PS can do, & I'm not one of them.
I took it a step at a time, learning what I needed for the job in front of me, & 99% of the time it's just selecting, layers, adjustment layers, cropping, resizing, & sharpening.
You've been around here for a while, so I wonder what prompted your question?


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Apr 27, 2018 09:11 |  #3

Self-taught by just doing it and learning from using the software, experimenting, etc, and then got on YouTube and learned a crazy amount of stuff that I had no idea about. Really though, there's so much you can do with a pixel editor like Photoshop that you don't even get into unless its part of your work flow. You can use a tiny percent of the software and not realize you're not tapping into a ton just sitting there. So for that, this is why YouTube videos are so helpful. You can just think of a problem/solution and type it in, and there's a tutorial on YouTube for it and you can learn to do it quickly. Every time you do that, you add another tool to your toolbox. I learned most of what I know from doing processing of astrophotography, where you dig into data and stretch it out, you look at things differently, compared to terrestrial still photography and the tutorials are down right scary because you start with nearly a black image and end up with something crazy. I learned a ton just by looking up that stuff.

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Apr 27, 2018 09:14 |  #4

PhotosGuy wrote in post #18614625 (external link)
I suspect that there are only 3 people in the world who have mastered everything that PS can do, & I'm not one of them.
I took it a step at a time, learning what I needed for the job in front of me, & 99% of the time it's just selecting, layers, adjustment layers, cropping, resizing, & sharpening.
You've been around here for a while, so I wonder what prompted your question?


I guess I could have used a better term than ‘mastered’, with that said, you can use it loosely… ;-)a

While I have been here for quite some time, and have some basic to low-intermediate PS skills, I would like to take it to the next level. I know everything a hobbyist photographer needs to know for my respective level, and feel confident operating the camera, and feel that I can stage a picture and make it come out the way I want it – out of the camera. However, I realize that with the advancement of digital photography, there is so much more one can do in PP. The way I see it, PP skills and knowledge, are just as important as photography concepts. In other words, what you can do with an image in PP is just an important, and sometimes even more important and productive than snapping the picture in the first place. After all, with good PP skills and knowledge, one can take a sub-par out-of-the-camera image, and turn it to a stunning image in PP.


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Apr 27, 2018 09:42 |  #5

I decide what I want to do, then use Adobe ,You Tube , google or whatever that will show me how to do it.
I have a dual monitor set up so I put the "advice" on one monitor and the photo on the other and work away


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Apr 27, 2018 10:26 |  #6

aridan wrote in post #18614636 (external link)
I guess I could have used a better term than ‘mastered’, with that said, you can use it loosely… ;-)a

While I have been here for quite some time, and have some basic to low-intermediate PS skills, I would like to take it to the next level.

My advice is to think carefully about means and ends. Photoshop is a means to an end. The end is always some result that you first envision and then bring about using PS. I don't know how many people I've seen online who have become very good at the means but remain novices (at best) as to ends. They know all about how the various PS tools work, but they can't use that knowledge to achieve a worthwhile result, because they can't envision a worthwhile result. It's like being a skilled driver of a fine car, but being unable to imagine going anywhere in particular in it.

With that in mind, I think getting to the next level requires a primary focus on ends and a secondary focus on means. Here's an illustration with a photo I edited years ago. There's nothing great about the editing, but it does illustrate a dramatic (and I would say aesthetically pleasing) change from the original on the left. The tools were pretty modest; I think I was using PS Elements 3.0 at the time.

The point is that skill with the most sophisticated tools wouldn't have gotten me there if I couldn't have first envisioned those changes to the original. Although the "next level" will probably require new PS skills, it is primarily about envisioning results -- about ends rather than means. Example: In the photo below (left), how can I change the way the light strikes that massive column on the left? I want the light to strike the front side but leave the right side in shadow. Once I can "see" that result in my mind, I have a job for PS to do. I can learn the various ways PS can be used to isolate one surface and brighten it, and isolate another surface and darken it.

If you practice "seeing" results that you really want to achieve -- one image at a time -- you can then pick up the PS skills needed for any particular end all over the place -- online tutorials, courses at Lynda.com, trial-and-error, etc.


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Apr 27, 2018 11:36 |  #7

I was the staff photographer at a hospital in the 90s and they paid for classes then a lot of time doing it over the years.




  
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Apr 27, 2018 11:54 |  #8

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If you practice "seeing" results that you really want to achieve -- one image at a time -- you can then pick up the PS skills needed for any particular end all over the place -- online tutorials, courses at Lynda.com, trial-and-error, etc.
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I can't agree more with this thought. If I sit down and just say "What technique will I need to learn for future use?", it would be a futile effort. But having a project in hand and having a vision for what you want it to look like, puts you on a path to learn and figure out for yourself. I come from a background as a custom 'C' printer. Much of my digital training was self taught through need along with having contacts that had more experience than myself that I could lean on. Further that to the many online resources for specific techniques such as skin retouching, compositing, color grading and such, and there pretty much nothing you can't set out to do and learn in pretty quick order.


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Apr 27, 2018 12:02 |  #9

My mom mostly taught me to PP. I mostly stand for control, but I've been known to sit as well.


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Apr 27, 2018 12:08 as a reply to  @ Chet's post |  #10

I use raisins for target practice


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Apr 27, 2018 12:15 |  #11

Chet wrote in post #18614739 (external link)
My mom mostly taught me to PP. I mostly stand for control, but I've been known to sit as well.

LOL :lol:


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Apr 27, 2018 12:17 |  #12

joined www.664elite.com (external link) for $20 a month. I did the 20+ courses that are around 1 hour each. There are several just on workflow, one dedicated to ACR, with the other courses on topics like inverted layers, the different types of sharpening, different ways to do noise reduction, layers and masking, blend modes with emphasis on blend if.......etc.

You can quite after taking all the courses in the first month.




  
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Apr 27, 2018 12:23 |  #13

I'm far from mastering Photoshop. I bet I use less than 20% of it's capabilities. For PS and LR I took courses at a local photo school that has night courses and has a full-time diploma program. PS probably in about 2006 when there was far less info on the net. LR in 2012. Now I just go to youtube, etc to brush up on stuff.


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Apr 27, 2018 12:37 |  #14

I bought a book and learned as I went. These days youtube might be useful, but a book that includes video guides and explains things well would probably be better and more structured. Once you learn the basics of PS like layers the rest you can work out fairly easily.


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Apr 27, 2018 12:42 |  #15

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I bought a book and learned as I went. These days youtube might be useful, but a book that includes video guides and explains things well would probably be better and more structured. Once you learn the basics of PS like layers the rest you can work out fairly easily.

Right. I picked up a few books along the way. Just looking at the PS CS2 Book For Digital Photography to my right.


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