Would you buy a 7D2 today?

Orogeny wrote in post #18617992
Maybe I'm just not understanding what you are saying, but why couldn't you move the AF point? You certainly can do that with the 7D.

Tim

Sure Tim.. 7DII has 65 point covering a large portion of the frame, were as the 7D does not have nearly as may points, so if your framing a subject in the view finder you can and I do move my AF point to the eye while framing the subject more closely to what you would like in post thus giving you the image your looking for with out having to crop in 100% to move that subject to the correct framing.

19 to 65 is a big difference. and the 7D seems to always be just not quite there.

Anyway thats the way I shoot when I can, getting as many pixels on target as I can. Yes I still crop as much as I have to even after trying to get as much of my subject in the correct frame.

Now for me I'm talking wildlife.


7D

Reading through this I wonder .... how many would have gone bankrupt in the days of film.

" spray and pray " was not very cost efficient and some of the images I see as an example of why a high frame rate is needed look like shots I did back in the 1970's ..... when we had slow frame rates and manual focusing!

Having said that if I were to buy a new camera today ...... it would be an expensive one....ver expensive.

LucaV wrote in post #18615577
Title says it all, almost.

I have had a 40D for 10 years or so and it's just about time to upgrade it
Ideally I would wait for a 7D3 to be available but I am tempted to get a new camera for a nice trip I will soon have.

Would you buy the 7D2 now or is it a waste to buy such an old camera?


I would like to have:
- good low iso performance (especially since I am planning to buy either the sigma 100-400 or 150-600, both F6.3 or similar).
- hdr and/or higher dynamic range (my phone can take better landscapes than my camera, at times!)
- gps
- tilt screen would be nice but it is not a big deal
- weather sealing is nice but not a big deal

I do not care for:
- wireless
- video
- touch screen
- extreme fps (the 40D is sufficiently fast for me)

Any other camera you would consider instead of the 7D2?

I think I prefer the 7D2 on the 80D, but other than that I have been out of the camera loop for a while so I might be missing something.

Lenses I have:
Canon 100 2.8 macro (old one); canon 70-300is (old one); sigma 17-50 2.8; tokina 11-16 2.8


Thanks for your input.
L.

Why not see if there are any photography supply shops in your area that rent gear.

Rent a 7DII for your trip and give it a whirl.

Most that rent, if you decide to buy when you get back will allow a portion of the rental fee is not all of it to be applied to purchase.

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But laid on top of one another. the difference is not so great. Obviously the 7DII has better coverage, but in the image you posted, you should have had no issue moving the point to the eyes.

gjl711 wrote in post #18618005
I was thinking the same thing and concluded that it must be the number of FPs. The 7DII has more of them but the coverage top to bottom is the same though you get more coverage in the corners and sides. The sample image looked to have the eyes right where the top focus point would be.

Shot with a 7D and cropped

gjl711 wrote in post #18618018
But laid on top of one another. the difference is not so great. Obviously the 7DII has better coverage, but in the image you posted, you should have had no issue moving the point to the eyes.

I would not take the word of those to images,, they were just quickly picked off the internet. Only meant to show those that do not understand the difference between the AF points on a 7D compared to the MkII

harcosparky wrote in post #18618013
Reading through this I wonder .... how many would have gone bankrupt in the days of film.

" spray and pray " was not very cost efficient and some of the images I see as an example of why a high frame rate is needed look like shots I did back in the 1970's ..... when we had slow frame rates and manual focusing!

Having said that if I were to buy a new camera today ...... it would be an expensive one....ver expensive.

I think your analogy is dated and incorrect. there is a huge difference between your spray and pray way of thinking and controlled AF on a fleeting subject.

Life changes


Do you think this would have been possible shooting single shot and waiting for a second between images. I can tell you a quick walking cat waits for no one

Pondrader wrote in post #18618023
Shot with a 7D and cropped

I still don't understand why you couldn't move the AF point on the 7D, even if you cropped the final photo. I do that all the time. I do understand the difference between the two cameras, but I still don't understand why you had to focus on the chest rather than the eyes. Which of the AF points on the 7DII would have allowed you to focus on the eyes?

Not trying to argue here, but I really don't understand since I change the AF points on the 7D all the time.

Tim

Orogeny wrote in post #18618110
I still don't understand why you couldn't move the AF point on the 7D, even if you cropped the final photo. I do that all the time. I do understand the difference between the two cameras, but I still don't understand why you had to focus on the chest rather than the eyes. Which of the AF points on the 7DII would have allowed you to focus on the eyes?

Not trying to argue here, but I really don't understand since I change the AF points on the 7D all the time.

Tim

Tim the conversation was 80D vers 7DII at the time... 80D has no joystick and unless you've use the two cameras I guess there is no way to relay the difference.

Step away from the small birds and you will come to realize the difference.

I think the questions arise from post #53 where you said that you had to shoot the deer's chest as there is no way to move the point up to the eye using the 7D. I think several of us was just pointing out that that is not correct, the 7D can easily have been moved to the deer's eye using the joystick just as in the 7DII. Actually, that image is perfectly suited for he 7D as the eye is center frame right where the 7D has a focus point spread advantage albeit a very small one.

Pondrader wrote in post #18618132
Tim the conversation was 80D vers 7DII at the time... 80D has no joystick and unless you've use the two cameras I guess there is no way to relay the difference.

My mistake. I thought you were talking about the 7D.

Tim

gjl711 wrote in post #18618137
I think the questions arise from post #53 where you said that you had to shoot the deer's chest as there is no way to move the point up to the eye using the 7D. I think several of us was just pointing out that that is not correct, the 7D can easily have been moved to the deer's eye using the joystick just as in the 7DII. Actually, that image is perfectly suited for he 7D as the eye is center frame right where the 7D has a focus point spread advantage albeit a very small one.

lol O JJ... I think your just over thinking it just a bit... A question was asked what we think about the 7DII If your not liking my answer ... well I'm ok with that. Thats the nature of forums. and I'm ok with that. Both images have been cropped and were not intended as a specific.

I gave you my perspective on the two cameras in this list I have used..and you didn't like the out come... I'm ok with that too.. You see "I'm no rocket scientist but I do get a shot or two"

I get refurb gear right from Canon.

https://shop.usa.canon​.com …d-eos-digital-slr-cameras

I've owned my 7d2 for a while now and I've been using it more and more lately. I also owned a 40D and IMO the 7D2 will be a huge upgrade.

As to if I would buy it today? I guess that depends on the price, I got a great deal on mine during the holiday rebates but if you can get one at a good price there is no reason not to jump on it. It's a great camera.

There will always be something better around the corner.

I agree 100%. Thus the reason I’m back using the 7D after a wheel malfunction on the MkII. But that MkIII could be a long way off.