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Canon 5D4 iv vs Canon 5DIII image quality

 
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May 07, 2018 23:17 |  #16

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18621574 (external link)
The 5d4 has cleaner ISO throughout the range and you can push shadows more below ISO 800.

The 5ds wasn't meant to compete with the 5d4, but rather is a high resolution 5d3, in a sense.

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May 07, 2018 23:30 |  #17

I really do like my 5dmk3 as it's always delivered great IQ. I'm just finding my current Canon lenses tend to have a sharper micro contrast image with the 5dmk4 due to possible extra mega pixels. I do find between the two I can usually tell the difference.


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May 08, 2018 04:34 |  #18

The more I think about this, the more I think I should use bite he butllet and stop being a cheapskate and get the 5d4 again as a second.

Suspect I will kick myself if I got the 5d3. Not because it’s a bad camera obviously but the inferior AF, no flicker control and so on.

I suspect the variance in files will annoy me in PP, plus I think as I want to use the two cameras simultaneously at times it is my job to provide the best consistent photos I can supply. Especially shooting weddings which is my thing.

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May 08, 2018 08:41 |  #19

George Zip wrote in post #18621727 (external link)
The more I think about this, the more I think I should use bite he butllet and stop being a cheapskate and get the 5d4 again as a second.

Suspect I will kick myself if I got the 5d3. Not because it’s a bad camera obviously but the inferior AF, no flicker control and so on.

I suspect the variance in files will annoy me in PP, plus I think as I want to use the two cameras simultaneously at times it is my job to provide the best consistent photos I can supply. Especially shooting weddings which is my thing.

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I think you will notice the way you can push/ pull the exposure with the 5dmk4 vs the slightly more rigid less dynamic range of the 5d3.

Otherwise processing wise they both react very similar in light room from my experience .


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May 08, 2018 13:40 |  #20

George Zip wrote in post #18621727 (external link)
The more I think about this, the more I think I should use bite he butllet and stop being a cheapskate and get the 5d4 again as a second.

Suspect I will kick myself if I got the 5d3. Not because it’s a bad camera obviously but the inferior AF, no flicker control and so on.

I suspect the variance in files will annoy me in PP, plus I think as I want to use the two cameras simultaneously at times it is my job to provide the best consistent photos I can supply. Especially shooting weddings which is my thing.

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Do this and don't think about it anymore. You will not regret this decision. Over time, the accumulation of the minor annoyances you just mentioned would live on long past the savings in money you would realize with the 5D3.


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May 08, 2018 14:08 |  #21

The 5D3 will always be 2nd fiddle compared to the 4. So it seems if you need a second body often, and can afford it, then why not just go for it.


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May 08, 2018 15:31 |  #22

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A 5D4 has a full stop and more over the 5D3. Im comfortable pushing a 5D3 to 6400-8000 ISO

Have no issues pushing the 5D4 to 12800-16000 ISO......Its that good

To get a full stop at a body upgrade is a substantial upgrade

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To me, a full stop of increased ISO performance seems like an enormous improvement that would have an extreme effect on my shooting.

I have done extensive research on the 5 series, and concluded that I have no interest whatsoever in the 5D3. . However, the 5D4 is my current "dream camera" - the one I will buy once I acquire enough money to do so (probably in a year or two).


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May 08, 2018 16:40 |  #23

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To me, a full stop of increased ISO performance seems like an enormous improvement that would have an extreme effect on my shooting.

I have done extensive research on the 5 series, and concluded that I have no interest whatsoever in the 5D3. . However, the 5D4 is my current "dream camera" - the one I will buy once I acquire enough money to do so (probably in a year or two).

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Tom not sure what body you are currently using

But for how I shoot and judge sensor performance- I see a a full stop on the new sensor over the 5D3. The 5D4 sensor is a substantial improvement over the 5D3. I try to not go past 6400 on the 5D3...zero reservations going to 12800 on the 5D4


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May 08, 2018 16:45 |  #24

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Tom not sure what body you are currently using

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I am currently using a 1D4 and a 6D.

From what I've seen, a 5D3 wouldn't provide much advantage over these bodies, but a 5D4 would be a huge advantage. . But used 5D4s are going for upwards of $2400, which will take me over a year to scrape and save up for, even if I sell one of my current bodies and put the proceeds towards the 5D4 purchase.


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May 08, 2018 17:51 |  #25

Tom, you are correct, it will be a huge improvement. I still shoot a 1D4 as well. And I used to shoot a 5D3. 5D4 is a new ball game.


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May 08, 2018 17:56 |  #26

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Tom, you are correct, it will be a huge improvement. I still shoot a 1D4 as well. And I used to shoot a 5D3. 5D4 is a new ball game.

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Would LOVE to get the 5D4 in time to take it on my trip to Barrow next month. . But of course the money is being spent on the trip, so there's nothing left for a camera upgrade. . If I'd spent the money on a 5D4, there would be no trip to Barrow ..... I think I made the right decision.


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Jul 17, 2018 18:04 |  #27

I think the iii will be fine when used with a iv in regard to visual quality, especially with non pixel peepers. That said I am contemplating doing some paid work. I am going to get another iv. The extra cost will soon be forgotten.


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Jul 17, 2018 21:22 |  #28

Saw this thread pop up again with the last post.

I ended up buying another 5D IV and I am glad I did.

For fast paced stuff I just use a 24-70 on one and 70-200 on the other and use one of those dorky dual camera harness's. For the slower paced stuff I just do what I have always done.

It's a pain carrying that gear I am producing better work as a result as I am not missing stuff. Also I do not have to worry about gear getting stolen when I have 2 cameras strapped to me.

Also I am picking up all this work that I never really looked for. Things like sporting clubs, family stuff etc. I feel a whole lot better going out with a 100% backup. It would suck to have to reschedule in the event of gear failure.

Lastly... thinking about it more.... if you charge a pro fee I think it is responsible thing to do to have backup gear based on what you normally produce. If that makes sense.




  
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Jul 17, 2018 21:57 |  #29

Patrick H wrote in post #18664892 (external link)
I think the iii will be fine when used with a iv in regard to visual quality, especially with non pixel peepers. That said I am contemplating doing some paid work. I am going to get another iv. The extra cost will soon be forgotten.

I have my 5d3 as my 2nd body on my spider holster usually equipped with longer lenses. I use my primary 5d4 on a neoprene op/tech neck strap (love it). 5d3 you'll see a difference in IQ or "lack of it" to some degree.

I still feel the 5d4 has this extra micro contrast sharpness that the 5d3 does not produce with identical lenses.


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Jul 18, 2018 18:11 |  #30

AlanU wrote in post #18665024 (external link)
I have my 5d3 as my 2nd body on my spider holster usually equipped with longer lenses. I use my primary 5d4 on a neoprene op/tech neck strap (love it). 5d3 you'll see a difference in IQ or "lack of it" to some degree.

I still feel the 5d4 has this extra micro contrast sharpness that the 5d3 does not produce with identical lenses.

Agreed. I noticed that when I first got the 5D4, and set up a bunch of shots with my 5D3 (lens mounted to a tripod, so getting identical shots for comparison purposes). Even with the resolution matched (scaling either way) the 5D4 just seems to have a bit more pop. Perhaps a less aggressive anti-aliasing filter.


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