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May 24, 2018 04:09 |  #16

ask yourself if you'd be happy with the quality of the 400mm prime Vs. the 70-200+TC (or vice versa)

One airshow I visited was when my 100-400mm (VI) was broken, so a kind local photog loaned me a 300mm f/2.8 which I used with a 1.4XTC

suffice to say given the choice of a prime Vs a zoom, I'd now be happier with the output from a prime any day!

Having said that, depending on your priorities, it isn't always about quality - sometimes just getting a shot is more important.


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May 24, 2018 08:57 as a reply to  @ joeseph's post |  #17

Many thanks Joseph.


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May 24, 2018 08:59 as a reply to  @ post 18631565 |  #18

Many thanks Graham.


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May 24, 2018 09:14 |  #19

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Engineered_Reflex wrote in post #18631540 (external link)
I use a 24-105 in the RIAT static park and the 24 end is always sufficiently wide, so I'd take that for sure. I'd be tempted to take the 400 5.6 for the flying display, it'll be perfect for 90% of the passes. You could use the 70-200 With the extender but you be hard pressed to find a situation where you'll be using the 140-300 part of the range as there's not too many large aircraft in the flying display and the acrobatic team formations are usually more photogenic when they're further away and turning than when they're on the A axis.

I hope you have a great time and get some great shots! I'll be there Tuesday to Monday, starting to get excited now!

Many thanks Paul. Popped over to your Flickr to view your RIAT2017 album - nice work, looks like the Sigma 150-600 is a useful tool to have for RIAT. I note a lot of your static display shots have no people present, I guess that's Tue-Thu before the public (me) get access.

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May 24, 2018 09:27 |  #20

I would go with this one if you get past security :lol:

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But i would go with the longest lens available with the extender it will get to slow when the weather is overcast and your shutterspeed is getting to low for jet speed.

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May 24, 2018 09:35 |  #21

evelakes wrote in post #18631687 (external link)
I would go with this one if you get past security :lol:

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But i would go with the longest lens available with the extender it will get to slow when the weather is overcast and your shutterspeed is getting to low for jet speed.

That's just lens porn and a complete tease!!  :p

Thanks for the advice, most contributors are saying no extender, stick to the 400 - looks like what I'll do.


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May 24, 2018 11:34 |  #22

GibJock wrote in post #18631680 (external link)
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Many thanks Paul. Popped over to your Flickr to view your RIAT2017 album - nice work, looks like the Sigma 150-600 is a useful tool to have for RIAT. I note a lot of your static display shots have no people present, I guess that's Tue-Thu before the public (me) get access.

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Hi Ian, thanks for taking a look!

The static shots are from early on Friday and Saturday morning, they don't let you into the static on non public days just the FRIAT area. I just get in early and shoot one end of the static on Friday and the other on Saturday morning. I have less trouble avoiding people in the shots that toilets in the background!


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May 24, 2018 14:39 |  #23

Engineered_Reflex wrote in post #18631764 (external link)
Hi Ian, thanks for taking a look!

The static shots are from early on Friday and Saturday morning, they don't let you into the static on non public days just the FRIAT area. I just get in early and shoot one end of the static on Friday and the other on Saturday morning. I have less trouble avoiding people in the shots that toilets in the background!

Good advice Paul, I intend getting there early on Friday - driving from Bristol Airport and am in the Aviation Club so supposed to have a fast track traffic lane for access …. fingers crossed!


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May 26, 2018 10:06 |  #24

I have shot airshows with crop cameras (first a 40D and later, the 7D and then the 7D2) with a 70-200mm f/4L IS lens and a 1.4x TC and also with a 300mm f/4L IS and a 1.4x TC... I will have to admit that I like shooting the shows better using a 100-400mm f/4L IS II lens on a 7D2 because it gives me reach and also the versatility of the zoom.

The focal length you use depends upon:

1. Distance between the spectators position and the aircraft. I have been spoiled recently and have shot the Blue Angels practice from a position at the end of the runway of their home base at Naval Air Facility, El Centro, California. I shot these with a bare 300mm on my 7d.

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2. Whether you are shooting single planes or formations...

This takeoff was shot at 234mm with the 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L on my 7D2

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And this formation was shot at 349mm - obviously the zoom provides more versatility

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This was shot using 330mm at Planes of Fame Airshow in Chino, California

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I shot these wit a bare 300mm lens at Marine Corps Air Station Miramar, California

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I shot this at the Miramar Airshow" 266mm using a 70-200,, f/4L IS lens and a 1.4x TC

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May 26, 2018 13:36 as a reply to  @ RPCrowe's post |  #25

Thanks for the advice a RP, much appreciated. Great set of images, I will be in San Francisco next year for a few days at the end of my touring holiday, I understand Miramar is not too far from SFO :mrgreen:


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May 26, 2018 14:09 |  #26

GibJock wrote in post #18633187 (external link)
Thanks for the advice a RP, much appreciated. Great set of images, I will be in San Francisco next year for a few days at the end of my touring holiday, I understand Miramar is not too far from SFO :mrgreen:

I guess that depends on what you consider not too far, Miramar is near San Diego.
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I guess that depends on what you consider not too far, Miramar is near San Diego.
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Got that wrong then! There’s a Miramar on the coast 22 miles from SFO ..... not the same place :oops:


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May 26, 2018 17:13 |  #28

GibJock wrote in post #18633257 (external link)
Got that wrong then! There’s a Miramar on the coast 22 miles from SFO ..... not the same place :oops:

If they have an airshow up there it is not one I am familiar with.




  
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May 26, 2018 17:17 |  #29

Canonuser123 wrote in post #18633301 (external link)
If they have an airshow up there it is not one I am familiar with.

Just a little town, not the air station, I was wrong.


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May 26, 2018 17:41 as a reply to  @ GibJock's post |  #30

Not many exciting aircraft off the coast of that particular Miramar... If you go to the Bay area one (near SF), you might get some subsonic Seagulls, and the likes.  :p

Down in San Diego I've been to the beach while not planning to take photos -just a quick soak off Coronado- only to realize the amount of military aircraft coming in an out of the Naval Station. One of those "I should have brought my camera!" moments.

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