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Thought Backblaze would be a good addition to my backup, but maybe not?

 
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May 17, 2018 20:15 |  #16

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Amazon Prime if you are just backing up photographs, it has a limit on Videos. However I can backup from any pc on the home network and unlike Backblaze the HD does not have to be connected every few wks. Not tried uploading on my travels though.

I thought about dumping my entire lightroom catalog into jpegmini exported jpg to amazon. Every single image of 135k images. At least I would have a jpg backup ya know. I mean in the end i'm not trying to preserve raw forever. When I die most likely the images will die with me.... nobody will ever look at them.

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May 18, 2018 01:57 |  #17

Talley wrote in post #18627570 (external link)
I thought about dumping my entire lightroom catalog into jpegmini exported jpg to amazon. Every single image of 135k images. At least I would have a jpg backup ya know. I mean in the end i'm not trying to preserve raw forever. When I die most likely the images will die with me.... nobody will ever look at them.

this is why I like to print.

I can up load my raws to amazon and where a years folder is not going to change it does not need to be synced to monitor changes. It is though down to your internet speed, before we had a decent connection it was going to take 2 years to do one year for about 300 gig. I don't know if Amazon has as good redundancy on their data banks though, its a last line of defence for me as I also have drives at my dads house just let them spin up every few months and swap the current on every few weeks. I see off site drives and on line as a line of defence if the house burns down and importantly data is moved on to newer drives quite frequently as well as staying on the older ones as the main risk is drive failure. Jpeg as a speedy method of moving files to upload is a good idea though, I would also advocate having enough memory cards or a large enough SSD when travelling as spinning drives are more susceptible to shock damage, still back up though.


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May 18, 2018 02:55 |  #18

Talley wrote in post #18627570 (external link)
I thought about dumping my entire lightroom catalog into jpegmini exported jpg to amazon. Every single image of 135k images. At least I would have a jpg backup ya know. I mean in the end i'm not trying to preserve raw forever. When I die most likely the images will die with me.... nobody will ever look at them.

this is why I like to print.

I just export 2000 pixels on the longest side, Q8. The images look good and are pretty small.

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I can up load my raws to amazon and where a years folder is not going to change it does not need to be synced to monitor changes. It is though down to your internet speed, before we had a decent connection it was going to take 2 years to do one year for about 300 gig. I don't know if Amazon has as good redundancy on their data banks though, its a last line of defence for me as I also have drives at my dads house just let them spin up every few months and swap the current on every few weeks. I see off site drives and on line as a line of defence if the house burns down and importantly data is moved on to newer drives quite frequently as well as staying on the older ones as the main risk is drive failure. Jpeg as a speedy method of moving files to upload is a good idea though, I would also advocate having enough memory cards or a large enough SSD when travelling as spinning drives are more susceptible to shock damage, still back up though.

Depends which Amazon service you use. It's most likely Amazon S3 providing the storage, which has 99.999999999% durability. From their S3 FAQ (external link)

Q: How are Amazon S3 and Amazon Glacier designed to achieve 99.999999999% durability?

A: Amazon S3 Standard, S3 Standard-IA, and Amazon Glacier storage classes redundantly store your objects on multiple devices across a minimum of three Availability Zones (AZs) in an Amazon S3 Region before returning SUCCESS. The S3 One Zone-IA storage class stores data redundantly across mutliple devices within a single AZ. These services are designed to sustain concurrent device failures by quickly detecting and repairing any lost redundancy, and they also regularly verify the integrity of your data using checksums.


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May 18, 2018 05:26 |  #19

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I can up load my raws to amazon and where a years folder is not going to change it does not need to be synced to monitor changes. It is though down to your internet speed, before we had a decent connection it was going to take 2 years to do one year for about 300 gig. I don't know if Amazon has as good redundancy on their data banks though, its a last line of defence for me as I also have drives at my dads house just let them spin up every few months and swap the current on every few weeks. I see off site drives and on line as a line of defence if the house burns down and importantly data is moved on to newer drives quite frequently as well as staying on the older ones as the main risk is drive failure. Jpeg as a speedy method of moving files to upload is a good idea though, I would also advocate having enough memory cards or a large enough SSD when travelling as spinning drives are more susceptible to shock damage, still back up though.

I'd love to use amazon and get rid of backblaze is possible...mostly because as they start charging more and more for prime, I'm trying to find ways to use it more to justify the cost lol. Are raw files included in what amazon considers unlimited photo storage? And do automatically mirror a drive in the background or do I have to actively upload files to it?

Last line of defense in case of drive failure/loss is really what these cloud drives are for. I had a drive with a bunch of client files I was still processing, including a wedding, fail on me once. I was able to salvage the files from various other sources, but it was not cool at all. They're also a defense against our own stupidity....like how I accidentally deleted a huge swath of photos when migrating my local stuff to a larger local drive the other day. I was able to download them from backblaze, which was nice.


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May 18, 2018 06:41 as a reply to  @ mystik610's post |  #20

Yes I mostly have Raw files on their service as I only shoot Raw and make a jpeg from that if needed.


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May 18, 2018 19:12 |  #21

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I'd love to use amazon and get rid of backblaze is possible...mostly because as they start charging more and more for prime, I'm trying to find ways to use it more to justify the cost lol. Are raw files included in what amazon considers unlimited photo storage? And do automatically mirror a drive in the background or do I have to actively upload files to it?

Last line of defense in case of drive failure/loss is really what these cloud drives are for. I had a drive with a bunch of client files I was still processing, including a wedding, fail on me once. I was able to salvage the files from various other sources, but it was not cool at all. They're also a defense against our own stupidity....like how I accidentally deleted a huge swath of photos when migrating my local stuff to a larger local drive the other day. I was able to download them from backblaze, which was nice.

When I was doing weddings I would keep the files on the cards until I had the original raw files in two locations. I also use a RAID mirror to prevent against drive failure.


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May 18, 2018 19:21 |  #22

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When I was doing weddings I would keep the files on the cards until I had the original raw files in two locations. I also use a RAID mirror to prevent against drive failure.

I do the same and was able to salvage the wedding files from SD cards, but it was a weird time when hurricane harvey hit us and my mother in law was getting cancer treatments so I was never home long enough to back-up my files to my redundant drive. It's sort those times when everything is going wrong that you want a cloud based drive.


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May 18, 2018 20:50 |  #23

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I do the same and was able to salvage the wedding files from SD cards, but it was a weird time when hurricane harvey hit us and my mother in law was getting cancer treatments so I was never home long enough to back-up my files to my redundant drive. It's sort those times when everything is going wrong that you want a cloud based drive.

That does sound like a challenging time. Yes it's also the time I would try to upload to the cloud, even if they were SOOC files converted to jpeg that's better than nothing.


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May 24, 2018 08:43 |  #24

You should look for a service that offers a "seeded backup". Crashplan did this years back when I first started using them. For a reasonable fee (about $100) they'd send you a 1 TB drive to fill and send to them. Keep in mind this was at least 10 years ago, when upload speeds were slower (although I now live in a 1.5 MBPS DSL world :( )

I haven't researched it, but I suspect the pro-level services still offer this. No consumer plan does that I could find.

Also realize that Crashplan has exited the consumer biz. I now use their small biz option at 100/year




  
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May 28, 2018 09:02 |  #25

I use downloader Pro when I D/L from the CF, as it will put it to the internal drive and 2 different external drives. Then Crashplan monitors the internal drive and takes the new files to the cloud. So I have a total of 4 copies of all my photos which are all raw. As for Lightroom cats they are on an external drive that is also monitored by Crashplan .


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May 31, 2018 12:03 |  #26

My solution is a 16TB external HD, connected to my main processing desktop computer and backed up to Backblaze continuously. I've only used 4TB of the 16TB available to me, with 100% of my RAW files, occasional TIFF files used to process a few shots and all the final JPEG. When I travel, I back up the SSD of my Surface Book to an external SSD and then transfer those to the WD as soon as I get home. My initial upload to Backblaze took around 2.5-weeks, with a 10-mip upload speed. I think of Backblaze as my "cold storage" and only access it to test the backup.

I also have almost all of my final JPEGs on Flickr, in full resolution. That essentially free tertiary backup.


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May 31, 2018 13:59 |  #27

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My solution is a 16TB external HD, connected to my main processing desktop computer and backed up to Backblaze continuously. I've only used 4TB of the 16TB available to me, with 100% of my RAW files, occasional TIFF files used to process a few shots and all the final JPEG. When I travel, I back up the SSD of my Surface Book to an external SSD and then transfer those to the WD as soon as I get home. My initial upload to Backblaze took around 2.5-weeks, with a 10-mip upload speed. I think of Backblaze as my "cold storage" and only access it to test the backup.

I also have almost all of my final JPEGs on Flickr, in full resolution. That essentially free tertiary backup.

I like everything about this except for the issue where the 16TB could be deleted if the external drive/computer is unavailable for long enough :(


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Jun 01, 2018 13:39 |  #28

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I like everything about this except for the issue where the 16TB could be deleted if the external drive/computer is unavailable for long enough :(

That is a realistic concern. I update the 16TB drive at least weekly and usually more often. In my current situation, it's not likely to sit dormant. The $50 per year deal only includes drives connected to one computer, so I keep the C and D-drives pretty clean, by constantly Copying the files to the 16TB drive.


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