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Jun 04, 2018 00:53 as a reply to  @ post 18637437 |  #16

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Jun 04, 2018 17:19 |  #17

Oh my... Im smelling troll creep. :-)


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Jun 05, 2018 01:11 as a reply to  @ ShutterKlick's post |  #18

Nope; I'm Nikon shooter.
Still using my ''old'' D7100....2 SD cards; grip attached; same focusing system as D7500....


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Jun 05, 2018 23:05 as a reply to  @ Mathmans's post |  #19

Respectfully, it may have the same number of points, but the system is not the same.

Reference:

https://www.google.com …f-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab (external link)

https://www.google.com …f-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab (external link)

https://www.google.com …f-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab (external link)

The D7200 and the D7500 share the same Multi-CAM system, Version II. D7100 has version I.

The Expeed engine is also upgraded on the D7500

https://www.google.com …f-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab (external link)

https://www.google.com …f-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab (external link)

https://www.google.com …f-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab (external link)

The Expeed 5 engine is a big step up from the Expeed 4 engine in performance, as I can testify
from the D7200 to D7500 comparison I conducted myself.

Additionally, the D7500 has a much improved RGB sensor for AF performance increase,
even with the same Multi-CAM system:

https://www.google.com …f-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab (external link)

https://www.google.com …f-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab (external link)

https://www.google.com …f-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab (external link)

So, in the end.. the only thing similar to the D7100 and the D7500 is.. the F mount for lens.

After months of in-depth research, I chose to spend my $1,200 on a D7500 body for concrete reasons.
Yet I did go with the D7200 first, after being sorely disappointed in it's overall performance... even having
the dual card slots AND the camera grip module I felt my D5300 was about the same, maybe even better
in performance (YMMV).

What I found after 90 days with the D7200: Camera grip made the unit too heavy and cumbersome.
Shutter count with a singular battery was already impressive. Dual card slots are sought after for
the paranoid. If you are buying new cards on a regular basis the chance of failure hover around nill.
AF performance was no better than D5300 (YMMV). Image quality was equally good but with soft
focusing it could not be wholly appreciated.


What I found with the D7500:
Dual card slots are not critical, even for pros
Increased pixel count in the RGB sensor vastly improves AF performance even with the same Multi-CAM system as the D7200
I do not in the least miss the camera grip or the extra weight and cumbersome nature of it. Its easier and faster to just change axis.
(IMHO, the grip is a shiny ball, YMMV)
Flip screen is a great feature for out of position shooting
Touch screen feature is fully functional, and a pleasure to use
FPS capture rate is much improved for BIF, wildlife and sports: A++

There are a multitude of things that are a vast improvement, but I digress to each to do their own research.


After several months, I can see why JP calls it a "D500 Lite":
https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=avCiyy72N7E (external link)

Would I like to have a D500? SURE! Do I *need* a D500.. Noooo.
For my budget constraints, it was a stress to tip up to the D7500, but in the end.. Im glad I ate all those
bologna sandwiches and other cost saving measures to pony up to it!

Am I a D7500 lover and enthusiast? Sure am! Because I actually got to USE it and found it to be worthy of my adoration.
Where we fall short as photographers is relying too much on reviews that are based solely on paper specs. When we pay
attention to only valid reviews... ones where a validated person actually used the camera and others in order to formulate
a comparison, then we get a real feel for it's capabilities.

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=oH3-eP5kwrE&t=1284s (external link)

I dont know about the others here, but... My pockets only go so deep. I have to save and sacrifice to buy gear.
So I may not have a lot of hands on comparison experience. But what experience I do have, I will freely share.

What is frustrating is shouting from the grandstands that is mostly regurgitating ignorance that has been proliferated by
anyone with a keyboard and an opinion. Exempli Gratia, the belief that not having a grip and dual slots makes it "not a serious camera".
Reality dictates, some changes had to be made to clearly distinguish it from it's nearest relative; the D500.

In closing, even a non photographer could easily look at the specs and see that the 7500 has far more in common with the 500,
than it does with any of it's predecessors. Is it a true 7200 replacement? I have my own conclusion but I urge each to
draw their own... but for the sake of realism, make it based on facts and not emotion.

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Jun 06, 2018 04:14 as a reply to  @ ShutterKlick's post |  #20

ShutterKlick;
I'm glad you like your D7500. I don't mind if you like it. But it seems it's not as popular body as Nikon would like. You discovered by yourself how many folks shooting with D7500 on POTN. No better on Nikonians forum – I would say 2 or 3 users. No one even mentioning D7500 lately.

I was about to upgrade my D7100. D7200 has not enough improvements for me to upgrade.
So I was waiting for a new body and then D7500 came out. Big dissapointment.

-No battery grip
Well; you might not like battery grips; I do like them.
I don't have it all the time on my camera but I can't live withourt a grip. My personal preference.

-Card slots
I like 2 SD cards. Call me whatever you like because of that. I want 2 SD card slots. My choice.

-The same old ''D300'' focusing module with only 15 cross-type focusing points squashed in the middle of the viewfinder.
I was hoping for a new focusing module – smaller version of D500 module or something. Nope; still the same.
Nikon is repeating itself. No matter how new they say it is – it's the same concept with only 15 cross-type points. They can say whatever they want but those linear focusing points are not the same as cross-type points. They can upgrade and improve this old focusing module up to the sky but for me it will still be only 15 cross-type squashed in the middle of the viewfinder focusing points module.

-Sensor
I don't get it why they had to change resolution from 24MP to 20MP or something. The reviewers say it's so small difference we woun't notice.
So why they changed it if there is so small difference?

-And finaly the price in our stores:
Five years ago D7100+Nikon 18-105 was 1250€ ($1468).
When D7500 came out it was 1530€ ($1797) - body only. Yes; $1797 for a crippled body (!!!). Nikon, wake up. At this moment it's 1390€ ($1633) - body only.

So basicly….arround here at the moment Nikon wants 1633 US Dollars for D7500 body only. This is a joke and for me an attempt to make a profit with a crippled body.


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Jun 06, 2018 18:30 |  #21

I hear ya, I understand what your saying. But have you shot one? Id urge you to at least rent one for a week, you may like it.

However.. if the 2 slots and grip are an absolute deal breaker.. I think you would agree that the D500 would be the only logical choice (if you are desiring to stay DX sensor).

My 5300 is 24mp and of course you know the 7500 is 20mp.. This was the #1 reason I shed away from the 7500 and went 7200.
The 7200 didnt give me enough upgrade in multiple check boxes so I took a leap of faith and went 7500 even with the reduced mp count.
In the end.. it really isnt that big a deal, at least to me.

Now if we were talking about dropping from 40mp down to 20mp, yeah.. thats a ball buster in it's own!

Is the 500 pricey? Yup.. but its coming down. Is it worth the price? I *think* given everything Ive read and seen, yes.. but alas it falls about $700 beyond my max budget. Sigh. Maybe in a few years I keep saving my pocket change and give the price a chance to drop even more. :-)

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Jun 07, 2018 04:41 as a reply to  @ ShutterKlick's post |  #22

I discovered that if I hold my D7100 without a grip for certain amount of time my hand starts to hurt. So when I'm shooting events I always attach the grip. The package is a little heavier but I can hold the camera comfortable and without a pain. Mostly I don't even put a battery in the grip because the battery in the camera is more then enough for all the photos I shoot on such events.

D7500 is good camera with ''old focusing system with a new hairstyle'' and this is a deal braker for me. I wonder how Canon managed to put all cross-type focusing system in for example 80D?
Nikon could built a smaller all cross-type focusing system. I actually don't need 153 focusing points. 50 or 60 point is more then enough . just let them all be cross.type so they can all lock confidently on a target.
I could DIY a grip (without a battery) to hold the camera more comfortable and I suppose I could live with only one card slot.
But for me it's about principle. They can't just take away some features and charge me more.

D500 goes for $2300 arround here. It's the best crop camera on the shelves at the moment, but I won't give away such amount of money just for a crop digital camera. I could afford it but I wont.
Just for orientation – the new Sony a7III costs the same in our stores. Hey; it's brand new full frame model and I can't find anything negative about this camera on the net. Go figure.

I'm thinking about D750 for a long time but the price didn't drop much – it's still high at $2130. It's almost 4 years old model with I don't know how many recalls because of all those flaws. So; no thanks. The price is just ridiculous.
You see; EU is not yet US regarding discounts, free grips, black fridays, free accessories, refurbished cameras, christmas deals, etc etc.
I have no brand loyalty and I won't support Nikon and pay such prices.


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Jun 18, 2018 23:06 |  #26

I have the d5500 same focus module as the d7000 but same sensor as the d7200.

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