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Talk to me about the 6D as a wedding camera.

 
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Jun 02, 2018 19:40 |  #46

So if the thousands of dollars filming with DSLR'S, how do they make it work with one card recording?

Frankly I think the whole one card excuse is weak to not recommend a very capable camera.


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Jun 02, 2018 22:54 |  #47

The 6D is a perfectly capable camera for shooting a wedding. It just boils down to how much liability you are willing to accept. For me, I won't shoot a wedding unless I can Record to Multiple on at least the main camera. The second body doesn't have to be dual slot... I had a 7D mark 1 as a second body for a while. It did fine. I definitely did not use it for certain things like the first kiss but I used it and it did fine.

The way I see it, wedding photogs are paid to make sure they get the shot no matter what. Dual card slots helps protect against some of the “no matter what.”

And as for the filming/single card slot comment... not all recording is done internally ;)


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Jun 02, 2018 23:33 |  #48

I should have said... I personally have no issue with a camera being capable if it has one card. It makes no sense to say it can not do it.

The issue as I said is that cameras have existed with 2 card slots for a long time. Back before it was an option you could viably go to a client and say you had a failure and while it was not desirable sometimes things just happen outside of your control. But now the technology has existed I think you are asking for potential trouble if you are a professional and trade as such. Using the example a few posts back I typed out...why risk your career and reputation. I see it like professional idemnity or public liability insurance. It is unlikely we will ever use it but we pay the damn fees every year.

I shoot with big cards so I do not have to swap them out. I see this as the weak point in the system. Say you swap a card and some goose knocks you and it gets damaged, or you misplace it in the heat of the shoot or or or.... for me it is just one less thing to have to worry about and allows me to concentrate on doing the job properly.

I like to transfer the images via the SD card straight into the computer and I leave the CF card in the Camera until the next week before I format it and go again. I just see it as another safeguard in the workflow.

But I am paranoid with data by nature. I spent 9 years in IT for business and the lengths we went to with data security and integrity makes te debate about using two card cameras look kinda silly.

Also I just ask myself would I want my professional photographer for my wedding to leave no stone unturned when it came to ensuring that photographer could deliver images.




  
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Jun 03, 2018 13:51 |  #49

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Jun 05, 2018 15:48 as a reply to  @ George Zip's post |  #50

I like to transfer the images via the SD card straight into the computer and I leave the CF card in the Camera until the next week before I format it and go again. I just see it as another safeguard in the workflow.

But I am paranoid with data by nature.

If you were that concerned you would use new cards for each event. I’m not a pro, but I can’t imagine a professional reusing memory cards. If some of the pro wedding photographers pipe up and say they reuse cards, I would be shocked.


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Jun 05, 2018 19:47 as a reply to  @ medd63's post |  #51

Wat? You're saying that a professional gets new memory cards for each job?


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Jun 06, 2018 09:16 as a reply to  @ philodelphi's post |  #52

I'm saying a professional SHOULD get new cards for everyjob. He is a professional. I'm sure if he was using FILM he would keep all the negatives from every job. Why would a professional throw away (erase) his originals?

If they are charging thousands to photograph a wedding, the cost of a few cards should be built in to their price.

Memory is cheap!


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Jun 06, 2018 12:50 |  #53

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=medd63;18640203Why would a professional throw away (erase) his originals?!

Their "Originals" should be saved in at least 2 other places...so erasing the card AFTER said verified backup isnt throwing away a single thing...bad analogy trying to comapre that to film negatives..


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Jun 06, 2018 17:22 |  #54

Well - I am not a professional. I'm an amateur/hobbyist landscape photograpger. But for every trip my wife and I take we buy new cards.

For our Alaska trip we bought new cards for each DAY of the trip, for 3 cameras.

Like I said - Memory is cheap. A pro should be able to access his original cards anytime he needs to. But of course, this is all just my opinion - like I said. I am not a professionally paid wedding photographer.

Perhaps film was a bad analogy. How about a recording studio destroying the MASTER audio tapes, once several digital copies had been made?


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Jun 06, 2018 21:14 |  #55

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I like shooting weddings with 2 dual card cameras with different crop factors. :) But then I complicate matters by having different FL lenses. :(

I figure if I lose files this way, I shouldn't put myself out there as an event shooter, sell all my gear, and get a good point and shoot.

I thought of getting a 1D X mark II and a 7D mark II.
But then I wonder the crop would get in the way, when you bring say
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Jun 07, 2018 05:23 |  #56

medd63 wrote in post #18640203 (external link)
I'm saying a professional SHOULD get new cards for everyjob. He is a professional. I'm sure if he was using FILM he would keep all the negatives from every job. Why would a professional throw away (erase) his originals?

If they are charging thousands to photograph a wedding, the cost of a few cards should be built in to their price.

Memory is cheap!


Memory is cheap but I would rather use a card that I used before. I feel nervous using a brand new card


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Jun 07, 2018 10:20 |  #57

I've had the privilege of shooting with many colleagues in my town. I've never heard of anyone buying new cards for each wedding.


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Jun 07, 2018 12:59 |  #58

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I've had the privilege of shooting with many colleagues in my town. I've never heard of anyone buying new cards for each wedding.

I have heard of it before but I do not agree with it.


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Jun 07, 2018 14:06 as a reply to  @ medd63's post |  #59

"A pro should be able to access his original cards anytime he needs to"

Up until you can't...digital media has a finite lifespan..even memory cards that aren't used..

And if they are backed up as they should be, for what purpose..?

A full-time wedding photographer can shoot anywhere from 15 to 35 or more weddings a year with 2 cameras, plus other non-wedding sessions...if they were to use a new card for both cameras plus a new card for each non-wedding session....do the math..anywhere from 30 to well over 200 cards a year. (and every year they are in business)..seriously?
yes, digital storage may be cheap, but someone would have to catalog all those cards, some sort of physical storage (multiple) would need to be purchased (preferably fire-proof). Storage space must be accounted for etc..Basically, going back to how film photographers used to catalog their negatives in filing cabinets back in the day.. No thank you..

Ive successfully used both CF and SD cards for multiple events/outings for years without losing a single image...as I know many others have as well..I have had 1 CF card corrupt on me in 10 years while downloading landscape images, but was able to format it, and recover all the images on it. THAT card subsequently went into the trash..

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Jun 07, 2018 15:48 |  #60

What a topic to mark my return to POTN after many years. As it happens, I've been pondering this topic of late.

After years of doing weddings with a 5D and a 5DII, I'm switching to a Pentax 645z. But not because of the dual cards. I've never had a card failure, but I suppose it happens about as often as Kodak sells a roll of film with no emulsion on it (which has happened to me). Also, my wife and I work together, and back each other up with different cameras. Her shots won't be as formally composed as mine, but will record all the events so we won't have a gap.

I will certainly focus and recompose with the Pentax, just as I have always done with my Canons (and the 5DII will still be my backup camera). I'm not sure I've ever had my Canons set to continuous exposures. I'm old-school--anticipation is better than motor drives.

This would be my only hesitation with a 6D, and I'm not even sure how often it's relevant. But it has been my experience that an amateur-looking camera does not command attention. The Canon with a battery grip was a bit more imposing than the Digital Rebel being used by Uncle Harry, but it's nothing like a medium-format camera for telling everyone in the group whose instructions they are to follow. Years ago I gave up the notion that a photographer can prevent the Uncle Harrys from hanging over his shoulder. By the way, that's why my flashes are always on the B channel (and, yes, optical slaving works fine for me). If I used a 6D, I would dress it up with a substantial flash bracket and maybe an external battery. Uncle Harry's Digital Rebel won't have coiled cords. ;-)a

Oh, and I absolutely reuse my memory cards. I never walk into a wedding gig with electronics that have not been solidly proven. But I have very robust daily network backups onto a 20TB backup server, and also make archive copies on USB external drives for off-site storage. And I give JPGs of the delivered images to the client on a thumb drive, along with the album.

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