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I've switched to Sony twice. Hated it. Now I'm thinking about doing it a third time.

 
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Jun 25, 2018 22:16 |  #121

If I was Canon, this video would scare me. If you don't feel like watching it, I'll give you the bottom line, he's a Canon shooter, borrowed an A7R III and now wants to switch to the Sony. If I was starting from scratch, I'd give serious consideration to the A7 III.

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Jun 25, 2018 23:01 |  #122

No need to even start from scratch to consider switching. If you have lenses that you are upgrading anyways then you could easily just buy the sony version. If your just now moving into full frame from crop then there is a good chance that many of your lenses will be upgraded anyways so sony would be a good option. And even if you still want to keep your canon glass depending on what you like to shoot it may work well enough on the sony body.
In other words if the sony bodies are offering what you want I wouldnt worry too much about the cost of switching. If you cost is an issue than switching or upgrading shouldnt be a consideration.


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Jun 27, 2018 21:38 |  #123

The fun begins if Sony decides to divest its camera business.




  
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Jun 28, 2018 10:11 |  #124
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david8476 wrote in post #18652668 (external link)
The fun begins if Sony decides to divest its camera business.

Doubts...they just announced the specs on their new 400 2.8 lens. Amazing weight for such a beast. I think Sony is very serious with their camera business.

Now Nikon that has watched their revenue and just as important their market share dribble down every year seems to have financial issues.




  
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Jun 28, 2018 14:52 |  #125

david8476 wrote in post #18652668 (external link)
The fun begins if Sony decides to divest its camera business.


Sony isn't divesting its camera business. Contrarily, their goal is to continue to grow this business aggressively as they have been, as its been very lucrative for them. Also...they are number one in the image sensor business, and there are synergies with the imaging products business unit (cameras) that they'd be foolish not to leverage.

https://www.sonyalphar​umors.com …alue-product-development/ (external link)

Sony released their mid-term strategy paper (sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/​library/presen/irday/)​. And Sony’s goal is to become “the top brand in the overall camera market” by 2021.


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Jul 01, 2018 20:07 |  #126

david8476 wrote in post #18652668 (external link)
The fun begins if Sony decides to divest its camera business.

I don't think this would be any more fun than a similar Canon decision.


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Jul 02, 2018 08:52 |  #127

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Jul 02, 2018 09:24 |  #128

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I'm praying that the '7R3 plus smallgrip plate will feel as good in my hand (and be no or only slightly heaver) as the EM1.2 with grip; we'll see in a few weeks.

My personal opinion is that the EM1.2 grip is better, with and without the battery grip vs the A73 with/without grip. The A73 isn’t bad, but there’s not a lot of knuckle room and the EM1.2 grip just molds to my hand much better.


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Jul 02, 2018 11:10 |  #129

Lyndön wrote in post #18654983 (external link)
My personal opinion is that the EM1.2 grip is better, with and without the battery grip vs the A73 with/without grip. The A73 isn’t bad, but there’s not a lot of knuckle room and the EM1.2 grip just molds to my hand much better.


Ergonomics plays a big role in user experience. I will have to say end results is also another massive criteria. The iso performance alone using the A7iii is what draws me to the Sony A7iii. Only negatives is the reds while shooting car events is not the best with Sony.

I still use my 5dmk4 because it simply delivers. Auto white balance shooting car events the colours just turns out spot on. My fuji system is another great colour generating system.

When low light is concerned Sony and Canon is used. I still also prefer the dof of a full frame system over my crop sensor Fuji. This is where versatility using an f/2.8 zoom with m43 does not meet my demands in shallow dof.


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Jul 02, 2018 12:13 |  #130

This Canon vs. Sony thing is really huge. It seems like people are jumping all ships because Sony is so far ahead.

I don't want a mirrorless camera. Not yet, anyway. My eyes are just starting to enter that reading glasses stage and looking through the diopter is so much more comfortable than a screen. Even if my near sight was perfect, I'd rather look through the lens.

I love Sony products, but I'm happy with my 5DIII. I May upgrade to the 5DIV, but there is nothing that any of the new full frame cameras from any of the major brands can give me that I can't produce with my current equipment, save for printing mega-huge, which I don't. I just recently printed a picture, which was heavily cropped, to 20x30. I can't tell it's under-pixeled for the size at all. I did for a test to see if I was missing anything using a 6 year old camera. Conclusion: I am not, neither in the personal nor professional sides of my photography.

So I guess all this hype is about GAS? I'm glad that I've matured enough in life that I can look past the hype, and know that effort and proficiency negates these mid-term tech releases. Don't get me wrong, all my pants pockets have holes burned in them; but it almost becomes emotional at times trying to figure out what brand and series to of gear to be in. It has taken a small toll over the years.




  
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Jul 02, 2018 12:39 |  #131

samueli wrote in post #18655072 (external link)
This Canon vs. Sony thing is really huge. It seems like people are jumping all ships because Sony is so far ahead.

I don't want a mirrorless camera. Not yet, anyway. My eyes are just starting to enter that reading glasses stage and looking through the diopter is so much more comfortable than a screen. Even if my near sight was perfect, I'd rather look through the lens.

I love Sony products, but I'm happy with my 5DIII. I May upgrade to the 5DIV, but there is nothing that any of the new full frame cameras from any of the major brands can give me that I can't produce with my current equipment, save for printing mega-huge, which I don't. I just recently printed a picture, which was heavily cropped, to 20x30. I can't tell it's under-pixeled for the size at all. I did for a test to see if I was missing anything using a 6 year old camera. Conclusion: I am not, neither in the personal nor professional sides of my photography.

So I guess all this hype is about GAS? I'm glad that I've matured enough in life that I can look past the hype, and know that effort and proficiency negates these mid-term tech releases. Don't get me wrong, all my pants pockets have holes burned in them; but it almost becomes emotional at times trying to figure out what brand and series to of gear to be in. It has taken a small toll over the years.

Not sure if it's all about "Sony" hype. It's really just another tool to take photos with......

Honestly if I was shooting wedding for a living I'd personally use my 5dmk3 over my Sony A7iii mirrorless. You'll literally never hear a Canon photog complaining they miss shots in low light using an external flash. However you'll hear mirrored body shooters going Sony/Fuji discuss AF hunting in low light that mirrored bodies seldom ever have. 5d3 wake up time is instant while my A7iii kinda has this delay.

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Jul 02, 2018 12:53 |  #132

AlanU wrote in post #18655099 (external link)
Not sure if it's all about "Sony" hype. It's really just another tool to take photos with......

Honestly if I was shooting wedding for a living I'd personally use my 5dmk3 over my Sony A7iii mirrorless. You'll literally never hear a Canon photog complaining they miss shots in low light using an external flash. However you'll hear mirrored body shooters going Sony/Fuji discuss AF hunting in low light that mirrored bodies seldom ever have. 5d3 wake up time is instant while my A7iii kinda has this delay.

Pros/cons to everything.


I have a hard time with GAS. I think I'm just reassuring myself that I don't need to spend the money on things that I already have that are still worthy. I just noticed the 5DS and 5DSR, and thought "OMG, I need 50MP for landscapes!". Well no, no I don't. Doubling the MP isn't going to change a thing for me or 90% of the photographers out there.

I Do understand the Sony thing though, with the superior sensor tech.




  
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Jul 02, 2018 13:50 |  #133

AlanU wrote in post #18655099 (external link)
Not sure if it's all about "Sony" hype. It's really just another tool to take photos with......

Honestly if I was shooting wedding for a living I'd personally use my 5dmk3 over my Sony A7iii mirrorless. You'll literally never hear a Canon photog complaining they miss shots in low light using an external flash. However you'll hear mirrored body shooters going Sony/Fuji discuss AF hunting in low light that mirrored bodies seldom ever have. 5d3 wake up time is instant while my A7iii kinda has this delay.

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Aren't you still shooting with only adapted glass? Not really a fair comparison.


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EverydayGetaway wrote in post #18655141 (external link)
Aren't you still shooting with only adapted glass? Not really a fair comparison.

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Aren't you still shooting with only adapted glass? Not really a fair comparison.

If that is truly the case here...then it's a very biased viewpoint. Get some native glass and see how well things perform. My understanding the low light abilities ( both AF and image quality ) are simply outstanding.

It's this type of misinformation thrown around the net that becomes fact once it's repeated enough times.




  
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EverydayGetaway wrote in post #18655141 (external link)
Aren't you still shooting with only adapted glass? Not really a fair comparison.

Hogloff wrote in post #18655316 (external link)
If that is truly the case here...then it's a very biased viewpoint. Get some native glass and see how well things perform.

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For some of us, it is the only comparison available.

I do the majority of my shooting with a 300-800mm lens. . How can I possibly shoot Sony with native glass when they don't even make the native glass that I need?

Even if/when Sony makes the native glass that suits my needs, it will be years and years and years until it comes down in price to a level that I can afford. . I bought my Sigma 300-800mm used for $5500 ...... just when do you project that I will be able to buy a native Sony mount 300-800mm for that price? . 2035? . 2040? . I'll be too old to hike up the slopes and wade through the swamps by that time.

So some of us have to do the comparisons with the only lenses that we have available to us, which are adapted lenses. . If I need/prefer to shoot at 800mm, and have $6000 to spend on a lens, then I need to see whether a Canon camera or a Sony camera works better with that $6000 lens. . If I can't get a Sony mount 800mm lens for $6000 or less, then the Sony will have to compete against the Canon as an adapted option. . That is the only practical way to do the comparison.

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