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Jul 05, 2018 23:12 |  #1

I have used a Canon 550D for several years in sports photography and found that one of my frequently made mistakes is not spot focusing on the spot in the centre of the view finder, I use Spot Focus. Recently I acquired a Canon 40D and found that a red light comes on when you focus on the spot, this has helped my keep rate on photos taken in focus far more about a 20% increase. I also found that the Canon 40D in review of taken photos shows the spot in red where the focus was taken, great feedback. Unfortunately the 40D suffers from noise problems at 800ISO and the Sports Mode does not give a fast enough shutter speed. My question is does either Canon 80D or the 750D both 24Mgp or the 70D 20Mgp have this feature. Considering an upgrade. None of the review sites seems to cover this feature. After calling Canon Australia they did not know what I was taking about, confusing spot metering with spot focus confirmation.




  
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Jul 06, 2018 03:51 |  #2

I can’t say about the EOS models you mentioned. But this feature is there in 6 D and 5 D mkIII ( single shot only )

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Jul 06, 2018 04:26 |  #3

The red focus point confirmation light is available on your 550D and the other cameras you mentioned. However, there are reason the light won't come on.

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Jul 06, 2018 20:55 |  #4

Have made further checks on the web and others have had same problem. By fluke I tried to focus my camera and lens on the TV while watching football in a dark room at night and I noticed that the centre light and other lights on either side of centre became just visible. With all 9 lights on nothing could be seen. Tried it outdoors during the day and no red lights at all, that I could see. This is obviously an intensity light issue within the camera, probably a design fault or a fault with my camera. The setting was AI SERVO, AI FOCUS and ONE SHOT it made no difference.




  
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Jul 06, 2018 21:22 as a reply to  @ galelegg's post |  #5

You most likely have the illumination settings set to Auto. Please consult the owners manual, because there are several settings that affect when and how the points are displayed, as well as illuminated, assuming you have the LCD overlay screen instead of the old-school etched marks and separate LEDs per AF point.


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Aug 04, 2018 23:53 |  #6

If You want amazing camera that You can use for sports, look no further then 80D. Its far superior to both 550D and 40D and even 750D. Nowadays its cheaper since release of 90D is imminent.

I have tested it on bike races with amazing keeper rates. Also it has 45 AF points, way superior to anything You mentioned here. ISO is amazing and usable up to 6400 and can go up to ISO 25600, but i would not go further then 12800. Still You can in case its an emergency. ISO 6400 is maybe noisy as ISO 800 on 40D, but much more controled and easy to correct in LR.




  
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Aug 07, 2018 01:13 as a reply to  @ mihazero's post |  #7

Thanks for the report. I have been thinking about 70d refurbished around $600AUD with 12 month warranty. Placed purchase on hold for a few months as just bought Canon 70-200mm L f2. 8 only used twice from fellow club member. Interesting you mentioned a 90 series is on the drawing board.




  
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Aug 07, 2018 01:44 |  #8

galelegg wrote in post #18679079 (external link)
Thanks for the report. I have been thinking about 70d refurbished around $600AUD with 12 month warranty. Placed purchase on hold for a few months as just bought Canon 70-200mm L f2. 8 only used twice from fellow club member. Interesting you mentioned a 90 series is on the drawing board.

The 70D's AF was taken from the older 7D, and hobbled in the process. It 19 AF points.

The 80D has (70D does not):
45AF points
-3EV ability
DPAF for f/11 LV AF

If you shoot at moving targets, the 80D's AF system is noticeably superior.




  
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Aug 07, 2018 13:21 |  #9

Bassat wrote in post #18679096 (external link)
The 70D's AF was taken from the older 7D, and hobbled in the process. It 19 AF points.

The 80D has (70D does not):
45AF points
-3EV ability
DPAF for f/11 LV AF

If you shoot at moving targets, the 80D's AF system is noticeably superior.

Actually that -3EV ... is not really -3EV. Its -2EV. I have tested it against 5Dmk3 and 5Dmk4 and in dark it behaves exactly the same as 5Dmk3 focusing only -2EV.

Still ... its super accurate and takes just a moment longer to focus then 5Dmk4 in reaaly dark situation, whereas 5Dmk4 just focuses instantly even darker situation.




  
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Aug 07, 2018 14:57 |  #10

Bassat wrote in post #18679096 (external link)
The 70D's AF was taken from the older 7D, and hobbled in the process. It 19 AF points.

The 80D has (70D does not):
45AF points
-3EV ability
DPAF for f/11 LV AF

If you shoot at moving targets, the 80D's AF system is noticeably superior.


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Actually that -3EV ... is not really -3EV. Its -2EV. I have tested it against 5Dmk3 and 5Dmk4 and in dark it behaves exactly the same as 5Dmk3 focusing only -2EV.

Still ... its super accurate and takes just a moment longer to focus then 5Dmk4 in reaaly dark situation, whereas 5Dmk4 just focuses instantly even darker situation.

Canon advertises the 80D and 6D as AF to -3EV. I own both; I find them equivalent. In light that crappy, the 80D actually has an advantage over the 6D: 45 cross points vs 1. I owned the 70D before I bought the 80D. Both the 80D and 6D are vastly superior to the 70D in low-light AF. The 80D can PDAF to -3EV, with an f/8 lens (or TC combo). The 80D can use DPAF at f/11. The 70D can't do anything with -3EV. The 70D can't do anything with f/8, let alone f/11. The 80D is way better at low-light AF than the 70D.

In case your're interested, Canon bills the 70D as have AF down to -0.5EV. Canon lists the 5D4 as AF to -3EV in PDAF, -4EV in DPAF.




  
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Aug 07, 2018 16:37 |  #11

Bassat wrote in post #18679542 (external link)
Canon advertises the 80D and 6D as AF to -3EV. I own both; I find them equivalent. In light that crappy, the 80D actually has an advantage over the 6D: 45 cross points vs 1. I owned the 70D before I bought the 80D. Both the 80D and 6D are vastly superior to the 70D in low-light AF. The 80D can PDAF to -3EV, with an f/8 lens (or TC combo). The 80D can use DPAF at f/11. The 70D can't do anything with -3EV. The 70D can't do anything with f/8, let alone f/11. The 80D is way better at low-light AF than the 70D.

In case your're interested, Canon bills the 70D as have AF down to -0.5EV. Canon lists the 5D4 as AF to -3EV in PDAF, -4EV in DPAF.

I know that its advertised as -3EV, im just saying that compared to 5D mark IV that is also -3EV for Viewfinder AF, 80D behaves more like -2EV AF system and on par (almost exactly) as 5D mark III. I am not talking about DPAF AF.

I had all 3 and tested this ... quite a bit, even shot events at venues using no flash at all. 5Dmk4 focuses like its sunshine, 5d mk3 and 80D both have ... slightly slower focusing speed past certain light level. Above it ... lightning fast.




  
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Aug 07, 2018 16:47 |  #12

mihazero wrote in post #18679633 (external link)
I know that its advertised as -3EV, im just saying that compared to 5D mark IV that is also -3EV for Viewfinder AF, 80D behaves more like -2EV AF system and on par (almost exactly) as 5D mark III. I am not talking about DPAF AF.

Perhaps manufacturing/calibrat​ion tolerances? My 80D and 6D are both rated the same: -3EV. They perform equally, and at a level that far outstrips what the 70D can do in low-light. To be sure, we are both referring to viewfinder Phase-Detect AutoFocus, not Dual-Pixel AF.

Maybe your 5D4 is functioning at -4EV, or thereabouts?




  
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Aug 07, 2018 19:36 |  #13

Bassat wrote in post #18679641 (external link)
Perhaps manufacturing/calibrat​ion tolerances? My 80D and 6D are both rated the same: -3EV. They perform equally, and at a level that far outstrips what the 70D can do in low-light. To be sure, we are both referring to viewfinder Phase-Detect AutoFocus, not Dual-Pixel AF.

Maybe your 5D4 is functioning at -4EV, or thereabouts?

All i know is that 5D4 snaps right away and both 5D3 and 80D take ... just a smidge to lock.




  
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Aug 07, 2018 19:58 |  #14

The 5D4 is the best low light AF of all Canon bodies outside the 1DX series. It has been tested again and again. The 6D2 is right behind it, the 7D2 and 80D are the best in the APS-C line. Then again, this is only important to those that shoot very low light scenes, like drama/stage, bar scenes, and bands. I will be testing the 5D4 this season for marching band as the fields just aren't lit up very well across the performance fields, so it shall be fun.


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Aug 07, 2018 20:47 |  #15

mihazero wrote in post #18679729 (external link)
All i know is that 5D4 snaps right away and both 5D3 and 80D take ... just a smidge to lock.

That is impressive. My 6D and 80D do take a bit to lock in crappy light. Less than a second, but noticeable.




  
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