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Jul 11, 2018 16:59 |  #46

Back to the original point...I have considered the 24-105 but that effectively puts me at 38.4mm - 168mm. Maybe too tight and not that great for wide landscapes...I dunno. I'm so confused.




  
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Jul 11, 2018 19:56 |  #47

i-G12 wrote in post #18660809 (external link)
Back to the original point...I have considered the 24-105 but that effectively puts me at 38.4mm - 168mm. Maybe too tight and not that great for wide landscapes...I dunno. I'm so confused.

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Jul 11, 2018 19:57 |  #48

i-G12 wrote in post #18660805 (external link)
I took some shots today out in the sun overlooking Puget Sound.

With the 15-85 I noticed the vignetting very clearly. Not sure if that was because of the harsh angle of the sun or just the lens doing what it does. And this was at like 65mm. I got rid of it in LR by using the lens Correction feature.

I guess I never really noticed this like that before but yeah it was an issue. :cry:

I do find photographing over the water in bright sunlight to be problematic. So maybe that is the major issue.

Need to find a different subject maybe tomorrow. -?

Do you have peripheral illumination turned on in your settings? That more or less eliminates vignetting with Canon lenses.


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Jul 11, 2018 20:03 |  #49

mwsilver wrote in post #18660912 (external link)
Do you have peripheral illumination turned on in your settings? That more or less eliminates vignetting with Canon lenses.

No I don't. Didn't know it existed. :-(

So you turn that on for all photo situations for the lens in question? Or do you just turn it on period?




  
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Jul 11, 2018 20:43 |  #50

i-G12 wrote in post #18660914 (external link)
No I don't. Didn't know it existed. :-(

So you turn that on for all photo situations for the lens in question? Or do you just turn it on period?

I always had it on for the 15-85.


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Jul 11, 2018 20:54 |  #51

Where does one find peripheral illumination setting?




  
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Jul 11, 2018 21:28 |  #52

Sibil wrote in post #18660946 (external link)
Where does one find peripheral illumination setting?

http://gdlp01.c-wss.com …2449/01/eos80d-bim-en.pdf (external link)

I'm having trouble opening it at work... but if you go to usacanon.com..... product support.... manuals... that's where it is, if the link doesn't work. If it comes up, I'll find the right page.

Page 148 and 149.

You can also perform this in Lightroom via the lens correction data.


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Jul 11, 2018 21:45 |  #53

mwsilver wrote in post #18660912 (external link)
Do you have peripheral illumination turned on in your settings? That more or less eliminates vignetting with Canon lenses.

Does that work with raw or just jpeg?


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Jul 11, 2018 22:18 |  #54

my twenty cents is that

for crop body, I would recommend getting EF-S or crop body lens for wide angle focal length below 35mm
for me, I got a EF-S10-18mm (Canon only) and the Sigma 18-35mm.

for 35mm and above, I would recommend getting EF or full frame lens.

My personal experience was that I once considering either getting a Sigma 50-100mm or a 70-200mm.
and end up I got the 70-200mm  :p

so for the OP, the L lens I would recommend for general purpose shooting would be 11-24mm f/4L (~17,6-38,4mm)


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Jul 11, 2018 22:28 |  #55

i-G12 wrote in post #18660805 (external link)
I took some shots today out in the sun overlooking Puget Sound.

With the 15-85 I noticed the vignetting very clearly. Not sure if that was because of the harsh angle of the sun or just the lens doing what it does. And this was at like 65mm. I got rid of it in LR by using the lens Correction feature.

I guess I never really noticed this like that before but yeah it was an issue. :cry:

I do find photographing over the water in bright sunlight to be problematic. So maybe that is the major issue.

Need to find a different subject maybe tomorrow. -?

I am interested with what happens with your 'different subject'. I've read the 15-85 has CA issues and I have experienced same in high contrast situations. I have not noticed any pronounced vignetting issues. Next step for me - take some pictures :-)

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Jul 12, 2018 00:47 |  #56

i-G12 wrote in post #18660914 (external link)
No I don't. Didn't know it existed. :-(

So you turn that on for all photo situations for the lens in question? Or do you just turn it on period?

I believe you set it individually for each lens mounted. It only works with Canon lenses.


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Jul 12, 2018 00:53 |  #57

mcoren wrote in post #18660970 (external link)
Does that work with raw or just jpeg?

Just jpeg I'm afraid. It in the very first menu. Of course you can also fix vignetting in PP. and, if you use Canon's DPP software its applied to raw files as well.


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Jul 12, 2018 03:55 |  #58

Phoenixkh wrote in post #18660958 (external link)
http://gdlp01.c-wss.com …2449/01/eos80d-bim-en.pdf (external link)

I'm having trouble opening it at work... but if you go to usacanon.com..... product support.... manuals... that's where it is, if the link doesn't work. If it comes up, I'll find the right page.

Page 148 and 149.

You can also perform this in Lightroom via the lens correction data.

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Jul 12, 2018 07:50 |  #59

Phoenixkh wrote in post #18660940 (external link)
I always had it on for the 15-85.

Interesting.

I went back and looked at some pictures I took in Paris in bight sunlight, very blue sky last year with the 18-135 and there was no vignetting. Certainly nothing like I experienced yesterday with the 15-85.

So maybe this is one of the improvements with the newer "modern" lenses as it was mentioned that the 15-85 was produced quite a few years ago ... like 2009 I think.




  
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Jul 12, 2018 13:21 |  #60

Sorry to complicate this subject further but this has more to do with what kind of photographer I am than anything. Funny how we might perceived one thing and then it turns out to be something else.

So the question is whether my current 18-135 is wide enough on the wide end and long enough on the long end. Further, would I be better off with the 24-105 L for the kind of shots I normally take say on vacations and general walk around shooting? :-|

So I took a sample of 215 photos that i took on a vacation to Paris (i wore out after counting 215 as it seems a good enough sample) and here are the results:

18mm through 23mm - 36.7% (43@18mm; 12@19mm;13@20mm;11@22m​m)
24mm through 50mm - 47%
51mm through 80mm - 7.9%
81mm through 110mm - 2.8%
111mm through 135mm - 5.6%

So with this in mind...maybe I'm mistaken. Maybe I really don't have the need for a wider lens based on what I do. And maybe that is what @Tom Reicher was eluding to in this post:

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18660647 (external link)
Seems the replies here have strayed away from the OP's original question about L lenses, so I'll bring it back to the original question.

As far as "best lens", well, that really depends on what you shoot, how you shoot it, and what you intend to do with the images after you shoot them. . So it's not really possible to give you a simple answer without knowing all of that information.

So, in lieu of telling you what the best lens would be for your needs, I can share what I have found to be best for me with my crop sensor cameras.

The 24-105 is something that I find very useful on a 1.6 or 1.3 crop body. . It is not nearly as useful on a full frame, to me, because I would almost never want to shoot real wide, and 24mm on full frame is way too wide for my tastes. . I think that a 24-105 is a viable alternative to the crop lenses that you mention in your first post. . In fact, I find it even more useful than those lenses, because I shoot so many images up around the long end of the focal range ....... 90mm to 105mm on a 1.6 crop body is just about perfect for a lot of the shooting I do, and you miss out on this part of the range if you go with the other shorter zooms that people have mentioned.

One other advantage to using L lenses on a crop body is that your images will not suffer vignetting like they do when you use them wide open on a full frame body. . You wont have soft corners, either.

I have also found the 400 f2.8 IS to be excellent on a crop body. . Ditto for the Sigma 300-800mm and the Canon 100-400mm. . However, I don't think that these telephotos are things that you would find useful, based on the short focal lengths that you repeatedly mention throughout this thread.

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So maybe I'm better off with the 24-105 than I thought.

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