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Best L lens for a crop sensor camera?

 
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Jul 12, 2018 13:31 |  #61

i-G12 wrote in post #18661313 (external link)
So I took a sample of 215 photos that i took on a vacation to Paris (i wore out after counting 215 as it seems a good enough sample) and here are the results:

18mm through 23mm - 36.7% (43@18mm; 12@19mm;13@20mm;11@22m​m)
24mm through 50mm - 47%
51mm through 80mm - 7.9%
81mm through 110mm - 2.8%
111mm through 135mm - 5.6%

Looks like the Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM Lens would be just the lens for you!


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Jul 12, 2018 14:31 |  #62

i-G12 wrote in post #18661313 (external link)
Sorry to complicate this subject further but this has more to do with what kind of photographer I am than anything. Funny how we might perceived one thing and then it turns out to be something else.

So the question is whether my current 18-135 is wide enough on the wide end and long enough on the long end. Further, would I be better off with the 24-105 L for the kind of shots I normally take say on vacations and general walk around shooting? :-|

So I took a sample of 215 photos that i took on a vacation to Paris (i wore out after counting 215 as it seems a good enough sample) and here are the results:

18mm through 23mm - 36.7% (43@18mm; 12@19mm;13@20mm;11@22m​m)
24mm through 50mm - 47%
51mm through 80mm - 7.9%
81mm through 110mm - 2.8%
111mm through 135mm - 5.6%

So with this in mind...maybe I'm mistaken. Maybe I really don't have the need for a wider lens based on what I do. And maybe that is what @Tom Reicher was eluding to in this post:

So maybe I'm better off with the 24-105 than I thought.

Opinions?

Looking at your data I reach the opposite conclusion.

You took 63.3% of your pictures between 24-135mm
You took 83.7% of your pictures between 18-50mm; sounds like a 17-55 would be better than a 24-105 for you.
But wait! You took 91.6% between 18-80mm, and a full 20% of your pictures at the 18mm limit, so the wider 15-85 sounds perfect!




  
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Jul 12, 2018 18:32 |  #63

i-G12 wrote in post #18661313 (external link)
So maybe I'm better off with the 24-105 than I thought.

Opinions?

The 24-105 may be your perfect “normal” lens. Obviously only you can determine that.

A few years ago, I bought a 10-18 STM. I don’t use it often, maybe once a year, and I don’t normally bring it with me. But on those few occasions when I have foreseen the need and brought it along, it’s small and light and I was glad I had it.

Just something to consider in addition to the 24-105. The 10-22 matches your focal length range better, but it’s bigger and more expensive. I’ve seen used 10-18’s going for around $200.

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Jul 12, 2018 19:42 |  #64

yellowt2 wrote in post #18661342 (external link)
Looking at your data I reach the opposite conclusion.

You took 63.3% of your pictures between 24-135mm
You took 83.7% of your pictures between 18-50mm; sounds like a 17-55 would be better than a 24-105 for you.
But wait! You took 91.6% between 18-80mm, and a full 20% of your pictures at the 18mm limit, so the wider 15-85 sounds perfect!

So is the 17-55 "older technology"? When was this lens originally released? i can't find that information.

I always dislike buying older technology but the reviews on the 17-55 are remarkable. Like really really good!

I think I bought the 15-85 in 2013 which was 5 years after it was released. So now it's 9 years since that lens being released!




  
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Jul 12, 2018 19:47 as a reply to  @ i-G12's post |  #65

HERE IS A LINK (external link) to a site that has a ton of information (including release dates) about both lenses you are talking about. And any other lens you are probably interested in.
I love that site... I'm on there all the time!

EDIT: Despite its release date, I firmly believe the 17-55 is the best all-around lens you can buy (from any manufacturer) for the crop sensored cameras. Some specific cases might have more ideal lenses than the 17-55 but it's hard to go wrong with the 17-55 being your default. Again, IMO.


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Jul 12, 2018 20:13 |  #66

Thanks for that information!

So the 17-55 is 12 years old. Hmmmm...




  
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Jul 12, 2018 20:41 as a reply to  @ i-G12's post |  #67

And it is a great lens. If it wasn't an efs lens, it would likely have been an L. Many lenses are older than that even.


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Jul 12, 2018 21:24 |  #68

i-G12 wrote in post #18661524 (external link)
So the 17-55 is 12 years old. Hmmmm...


TeamSpeed wrote in post #18661532 (external link)
And it is a great lens. If it wasn't an efs lens, it would likely have been an L. Many lenses are older than that even.

Exactly right, Team Speed.

The age of a lens design doesn't have anything to do with its quality or usefulness.

For one to think that somehow a newer design is somehow better or more useful than an older design is misguided thinking, unless there are specific features that the newer design has that one needs.


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Jul 13, 2018 07:54 |  #69

i-G12 wrote in post #18661313 (external link)
Sorry to complicate this subject further but this has more to do with what kind of photographer I am than anything. Funny how we might perceived one thing and then it turns out to be something else.

So the question is whether my current 18-135 is wide enough on the wide end and long enough on the long end. Further, would I be better off with the 24-105 L for the kind of shots I normally take say on vacations and general walk around shooting? :-|

So I took a sample of 215 photos that i took on a vacation to Paris (i wore out after counting 215 as it seems a good enough sample) and here are the results:

18mm through 23mm - 36.7% (43@18mm; 12@19mm;13@20mm;11@22m​m)
24mm through 50mm - 47%
51mm through 80mm - 7.9%
81mm through 110mm - 2.8%
111mm through 135mm - 5.6%

So with this in mind...maybe I'm mistaken. Maybe I really don't have the need for a wider lens based on what I do. And maybe that is what @Tom Reicher was eluding to in this post:

So maybe I'm better off with the 24-105 than I thought.

Opinions?

Ultimately, you need to use whatever you think will fit your requirements. You would know that better than us.


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Jul 13, 2018 07:54 |  #70

OK, I'm being enlightened by this thread.




  
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Jul 13, 2018 08:00 |  #71

Ok then, so you know what you need to do!

"Do or do not, there is no just talking about it", sage words from the great philosopher Yoda...


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Jul 13, 2018 08:04 |  #72

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18661771 (external link)
Ok then, so you know what you need to do!

"Do or do not, there is no just talking about it", sage words from the great philosopher Yoda...

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Jul 13, 2018 08:04 |  #73

i-G12 wrote in post #18661511 (external link)
So is the 17-55 "older technology"? When was this lens originally released? i can't find that information.

I always dislike buying older technology but the reviews on the 17-55 are remarkable. Like really really good!

I think I bought the 15-85 in 2013 which was 5 years after it was released. So now it's 9 years since that lens being released!

I think you are too focused on "older technology" with regard to lenses. We are not talking about camera sensors or computers or cell phones.


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Jul 13, 2018 08:06 |  #74

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18661561 (external link)
Exactly right, Team Speed.

The age of a lens design doesn't have anything to do with its quality or usefulness.

For one to think that somehow a newer design is somehow better or more useful than an older design is misguided thinking, unless there are specific features that the newer design has that one needs.

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Completely agree!


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Jul 13, 2018 08:19 |  #75

You already have a 15-85. Shoot with it a bit to see if you like the IQ and whether the focus range works for you, before investing in something new which may or may not meet your requirements. However, I'm staring to think you may just want a new toy, which is certainly fine.


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