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Jul 13, 2018 07:58 |  #16

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But I can say now that it certainly knocks the so-called market leader (Photomatix) off its perch!

Over the years it has seemed to me that Photomatix, as an app, was never really totally redesigned to meet changing needs and users. Each update was either patches, or wedges of things stuck into an existing (and unchanged) old and tired framework. Photomatix is now a horrible patchwork of subroutines with no clear and cohesive workflow.

At one time Photomatix was without a doubt the undisputed leader and benchmark in the sector. They no longer are, but apparently continue to act so - almost in total denial there are other better competitors now in the market.

Thanks for your heads-up and info on Aurora. Good post - good stuff. Skylum and Luminar are new to me because I have never even pressed a key on a Mac. So I was hesitant to trust the new player on the Windows court. It appears they may be a talented and valid player. With your info I may give them a try. I already have luminar - Adobe's software rental marketing strategy forced that. I may now give Aurora a try.


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Jul 13, 2018 08:48 |  #17

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Over the years it has seemed to me that Photomatix, as an app, was never really totally redesigned to meet changing needs and users. Each update was either patches, or wedges of things stuck into an existing (and unchanged) old and tired framework. Photomatix is now a horrible patchwork of subroutines with no clear and cohesive workflow.

At one time Photomatix was without a doubt the undisputed leader and benchmark in the sector. They no longer are, but apparently continue to act so - almost in total denial there are other better competitors now in the market.

Thanks for your heads-up and info on Aurora. Good post - good stuff. Skylum and Luminar are new to me because I have never even pressed a key on a Mac. So I was hesitant to trust the new player on the Windows court. It appears they may be a talented and valid player. With your info I may give them a try. I already have luminar - Adobe's software rental marketing strategy forced that. I may now give Aurora a try.

Many thanks for joining the discussion. I agree with you that Geraldine Joffre (Photomatix creator and MD) is in denial. She failed to listen to constructive criticism when version 5 was released. When version 6 came out, there was little reaction from the critics.

Aurora is certainly worth looking at.


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Jul 13, 2018 09:13 |  #18

Alignment.

Until today I have no issues with image alignment when using Aurora. But this hand-held fading sunset certainly found a flaw. Image alignment was ticked and ghost reduction set to "medium" before tonemapping and I used the Basic Realistic preset. Obviously, atmospheric haze degraded resolution of the distant hills and Aurora struggled.


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Jul 13, 2018 11:49 |  #19

Hmmmmm. That's a problem. I have always had problems with clouds because of their lack of defined edges, but photomatix has always solved the problem.

A huge demerit for Aurora for me personally because I shoot landscapes.

How about using aurora to do the tonemapping work, then as a last step use the best sky exposure, overlay it, then brush / mask it in?


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Jul 13, 2018 12:00 |  #20

Martin nice of you to take the time to post your findings, But i think i will be sticking with SNS n Photomatix.
If you can find me a program that deghost's as well as photomatix and gives the realistic results of SNS i am all ears buddy.:-):-):-)


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Jul 13, 2018 12:28 |  #21

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I agree with you that Geraldine Joffre (Photomatix creator and MD) is in denial.

Not much to say here except this exemplifies weak leadership. Both Skylum and Serif have strong visions about their products. Not only their products, but both also have a strong vision of a big ol' bullseye painted on Adobe's back. And even the leadership of ON1 has a vision (well... somewhat).

HDRsoft had an opportunity to maintain their leadership roll and passed it by. They continued to rely on a reputation they thought they had but did not. IMPO, I think it is now too late. I truly feel that Photomatix will slowly fade into irrelevance like Oloneo did. We'll see.

Edit: again, thanks for the info. I'll probably pull the trigger on Aurora after I become proficient with Benz's Lumenzia.


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Jul 13, 2018 13:11 |  #22

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I truly feel that Photomatix will slowly fade into irrelevance like Oloneo did.

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Jeeeez that is a blast from the past, I remember when Oloneo came out and every one was raving about it lol.


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Jul 13, 2018 13:18 |  #23

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Hmmmmm. That's a problem. I have always had problems with clouds because of their lack of defined edges, but photomatix has always solved the problem.

A huge demerit for Aurora for me personally because I shoot landscapes.

How about using aurora to do the tonemapping work, then as a last step use the best sky exposure, overlay it, then brush / mask it in?

Yes, my shots are mainly landscapes too so it is an issue for me too. My example may be a one off, I have not processed enough images to be sure.

However you can do what you want in Aurora; have a look at this Youtube Video (external link)


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Jul 13, 2018 13:20 |  #24

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Martin nice of you to take the time to post your findings, But i think i will be sticking with SNS n Photomatix.
If you can find me a program that deghost's as well as photomatix and gives the realistic results of SNS i am all ears buddy.:-):-):-)

Mark, I may come to the same conclusion and the end of my 2 week trial - even though I hate the Photmnatix interface.


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Jul 13, 2018 14:22 |  #25

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If you can find me a program that deghost's as well as photomatix

Yep, gotta' agree here. I have not been a fan of Photomatix for quite some time but one thing they still do best is deghosting. Martin's aurora failure with the clouds could probably be handled easily by photomatix.

What skylum needs to do is recruit and steal away the coder who created the deghosting for photomatix. A slight change in the algorithm might prevent patent / copyright issues. Aurora with a deghosting feature like that would be a giant killer.


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Jul 13, 2018 18:44 |  #26

I quite like photomatix esp the latest version, My only crit is the way it tends to over sat colours esp greens n reds but it is easily rectified in post in a few secs.:-)


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Jul 14, 2018 01:19 |  #27

Hi Again, I have to agree with others that Skylum seem to be more interested in promoting there softwares than actually listening to those customers who have already purchaed them. OK I no this thread is about taking a second look at Aurora HDR and I have tried it, infact I bought it and now feel I wasted my money. Some comments on Photomatix also here but again there deghosting option/s work better than any other HDR software I have tried. I like many actually do is to run images through Photomatix for de-ghosting and save as a Radiance RGBE or OpenEXR file and then take it into SNS-HDR for output. As I stated I have both Aurora HDR and also Luminar for Windows OS but have ended up going back to my Lightroom 6, Photoshop CS6, Photomatix and SNS-HDR while both Skylum softwares are un-installed. Everyone will have there own thoughts on whatever software they use but have to say 'If It Aint Broke Don't Fix It'.
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Jul 14, 2018 04:26 as a reply to  @ Stiga's post |  #28

Thanks for taking the time Martin. I still use SNS most of the time, but I will give this one a shot.




  
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Jul 14, 2018 07:14 |  #29

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Thanks for taking the time Martin. I still use SNS most of the time, but I will give this one a shot.

Hi Jeff, thanks for joining in. Yes, have a go with Aurora by all means. I'd be interested to see your reactions.


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Jul 14, 2018 08:37 |  #30

If anybody is involved with the Skylum forums, ask them about the deghosting failure with clouds with soft edges and see if they are working on it or plan to solve it. Post it here, I would be interested in their goals.

Oloneo was mentioned as a blast from the past. To be honest, for those who remember I believe it was oloneo's failure to get deghosting right which eventually sunk them. Will aurora suffer the save fate?


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